The first Nazi city in America ?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by thewise1

I'm pretty sure that you don't have to be a citizen to own land in the US, though.

I'm sure you need to be a legal resident though.
I would like to see them try and block a legal resident from doing something.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

I'm sure you need to be a legal resident though.
I would like to see them try and block a legal resident from doing something.

This might be true... not sure though.

I too would be interested in the legalities behind all this.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by thewise1

This might be true... not sure though.

I too would be interested in the legalities behind all this.

My wife works as a loan processor and she says that the Patriot Act has tons of things when you apply for a mortgage to check you out. I know that's just dealing with loans, but there are things in place to make sure you are not illegally here before a purchase like that. Makes sense for a lender too, they don't want you to default on a loan because you are deported.

[thewise1]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

My wife works as a loan processor and she says that the Patriot Act has tons of things when you apply for a mortgage to check you out. I know that's just dealing with loans, but there are things in place to make sure you are not illegally here before a purchase like that. Makes sense for a lender too, they don't want you to default on a loan because you are deported.

Yeah but you don't "have" to have a loan to own property - I know that a lot of japanese people own land here, I'm sure they either finance it through a japanese bank or buy cash

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Kytro

From:
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/articl...60718045142617



and



This sort of thinking concerns me primarily due to the fact the population is simply looking at race with ager.

People are entilted to opinions, but I don't think they should be able to force those opinions on other people without good reason.

Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with, however the attitudes displayed by these people is not the way forward

Might the story in this link exagerate a bit? I can't find any kind of confirmation of this. The only "legit" story I found on it said:

HAZLETON, PA. - July 13, 2006 - Ground zero in the controversy over immigration in America was Hazleton, Pennsylvania on Thursday night.
The city council voted 4 to 1 to approve what could be the toughest anti-immigration law in the country.
Said the mayor, "We are drawing the line, and we're doing it tonight."
The ordinance denies licenses to businesses that employ illegal immigrants.
It fines landlords one thousand dollars for each illegal immigrant tenant.
And it requires city documents to be in English only.
Opponents rallied across the street, one calling Hazleton the first Nazi city in America.


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4364447

Which is a lot different then what infoshop.org printed.

[Kytro]

I suspected the site was a little biased when I posted. I wasn't addressing what infoshop was saying though. I was looking at the attitude people seemed to have.

It it that which concerns me.

[Thorgrim]

http://www.hazletoncity.org/2006_10_...Act_%20NEW.pdf

There is it, signed into law

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

http://www.hazletoncity.org/2006_10_...Act_%20NEW.pdf

There is it, signed into law

Not the neatest but here it is. Well, seems people can't give jobs to illegal aliens or rent housing to them. Since these people are in the States illegally, I see nothing wrong with it. There is even a provision for charities to help people and says that the law does not prevent emergancy medical care or assitance.

Seems like good law to me. Let's make it federal now.

ORDINANCE 2006-10
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION RELIEF ACT ORDINANCE
BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF HAZLETON AS
FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1

. - TITLE

This chapter shall be known and may be cited as the “City of Hazleton Illegal
Immigration Relief Act Ordinance.”

SECTION 2

. - FINDINGS AND DECLARATION OF PURPOSE

The People of the City of Hazleton find and declare:
A. That illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates, contributes to
overcrowded classrooms and failing schools, subjects our hospitals to
fiscal hardship and legal residents to substandard quality of care,
contributes to other burdens on public services, increasing their cost and
diminishing their availability to lawful residents, and destroys our
neighborhoods and diminishes our overall quality of life.
B. That the City of Hazleton is authorized to abate public nuisances and
empowered and mandated by the People of Hazleton to abate the nuisance
of illegal immigration by diligently prohibiting the acts and policies that
facilitate illegal immigration and punishing the people and businesses
that aid and abet illegal aliens.
C. This ordinance seeks to secure to those lawfully present in the United
States and this City, whether or not they are Citizens of the United States,
the right to live in peace free of the threat of illegal alien crime, to enjoy
the public services provided by this city without being burdened by the
cost of providing goods, support and services to any whose presence in the
United States is contrary to its laws and to be free of the debilitating
effects on their economic and social well being imposed by the influx of
illegal aliens to the fullest extent that these goals can be achieved
consistent with the Constitution and Laws of the United States and the
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

SECTION 3

. DEFINITIONS

Whenever used in this chapter, the following terms shall have the following meanings:
“City” means the City of Hazleton.
“Contract employer” means any person who obtains the services of one or more
individuals through a day labor agency.
“Illegal Alien” means any person whose initial entry into the United States was illegal
and whose current status is also illegal as well as any person who, after entering legally,
has failed to leave the United States upon the expiration of his or her visa.
“Legal Work Status” means that a person’s employment is not in violation of any law of
the United States, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or this Ordinance.
“Vehicle” means a vehicle as defined in Pennsylvania Vehicle Code as the same now
reads or may hereafter be amended.

SECTION 4

. BUSINESS PERMITS, CONTRACTS OR GRANTS

Any entity or any parent, affiliate, subsidiary or agent of any entity (other than a charity
recognized as exempt from federal income taxation under Sec. 501 of the Internal
Revenue Code of the United States and which has obtained and continues to have in force
an exemption from federal income taxation), that employs, retains, aids or abets illegal
aliens or illegal immigration into the United States, whether directly or by or through
any agent, ruse, guise, device or means, no matter how indirect, and even if the agent or
entity might otherwise be exempted from this section, or violates any provision of this
Ordinance, shall from the date of the violation or its discovery, whichever shall be later,
be denied and barred from approval of a business permit, renewal of a business permit,
any city contract or grant as follows:
(1) For the first violation for a period of five years,
(2) For any subsequent violation, for a period of ten years.
A. “Aids or abets” includes, but is not limited to:
(i) hiring or attempted hiring of illegal aliens,
(ii) providing, renting or leasing real or personal property to illegal
aliens,
(iii) funding or providing goods and services to illegal aliens, except as
provided in Sec. 4 C.,
(iv) funding, providing goods and services to or aiding in the
establishment or continuation of any day labor center or other entity
providing similar services, unless the entity acts with due diligence to
verify the legal work status of all persons whom it employs, provides
job assistance for or in any way assists or facilitates in obtaining any
employment.
B. Except as provided in C., any action or failure to act done within the
boundaries of this City that aids and abets illegal aliens or facilitates their
avoiding detection and apprehension anywhere in the United States, its
territories or possessions violates this Ordinance.
C. This Ordinance shall not be construed to prohibit rendering emergency
medical care, emergency assistance or legal assistance.

SECTION 5

. RENTING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS

A. Illegal aliens are prohibited from leasing or renting property. Any
property owner or renter/tenant/lessee in control of property, who knowingly
allows an illegal alien to use, rent or lease their property shall be in violation of
this section.
B. Any person or entity that violates this Ordinance shall be subject to a fine of
not less than $1,000.00.
C. A separate violation of this Ordinance shall be deemed to have been
committed on each day during or on which a violation occurs or continues.

SECTION 6

. ENGLISH ONLY

A. The City of Hazleton declares that English is the official language of the City.
B. Unless explicitly mandated by the federal government, the state of Pennsylvania
or the City of Hazleton, all official city business, forms, documents, signage
will be written in English only.

SECTION 7

. SEVERABILITY

If any part of provision of this Chapter is in conflict or inconsistent with applicable
provisions of federal or state statutes, or is otherwise held to be invalid or unenforceable
by any court of competent jurisdiction, such part of provision shall be suspended and
superseded by such applicable laws or regulations, and the remainder of this Chapter
shall not be affected thereby.

ORDAINED

by Council this 13th day of July, 2006.

First Reading Second Reading Third Reading

(June 15, 2006) (July 13, 2006) (July 13, 2006)

Presented Graham Presented Graham Presented Graham
Seconded Nilles Seconded Yannuzzi Seconded Yannuzzi
Gabos N Gabos Y Gabos Y
Graham Y Graham Y Graham Y
Mundie Y Mundie Y Mundie Y
Nilles Y Nilles N Nilles N
Yannuzzi Y Yannuzzi Y Yannuzzi Y

ORDINANCE PASSES JULY 13, 2006

[Thorgrim]

Please make it federal, I would love all those Hispanic votes going for Dems...we'd rule the country for the next 100 years

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Please make it federal, I would love all those Hispanic votes going for Dems...we'd rule the country for the next 100 years

If you say so Something needs to be done, and this law seems pretty good.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

If you say so Something needs to be done, and this law seems pretty good.

I agree with some of the measures, but I disagree with why they are doing it.

I think it is a problem that needs to be dealt with, however the fact they are doing it because they are racist is irritating. I dislike reinforcing bad thinking.

[matrix3D]

This entire argument about how to deal with illegal immigration goes pretty much hand-in-hand with any sort of racial profiling issue. For example, we can't say "search anybody who looks Middle Eastern and forget everybody else" at the airport because that would be racial discrimination. I'm sorry, but does it make me a Nazi by standing up and stating the obvious that 19 of the 19 September 11th hijackers were Middle Eastern? With the rare exceptions of white nut cases like Timothy McVey, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer and other notable serial killers, when was the last time a white person boarded a plane and tried to light their shoes on fire in order to kill as many "non-believers" as possible? To all the non-extremist Muslims who actually believe in peace and follow it out there (and I know there are many) we're sorry... but please, take off your shoes.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Kytro

I agree with some of the measures, but I disagree with why they are doing it.

I think it is a problem that needs to be dealt with, however the fact they are doing it because they are racist is irritating. I dislike reinforcing bad thinking.

They are doing it because they are racist? Where the fuck do you get that? They are doing it because there are people taking government resources that are not in this country legally. They are trying to do their part for their town.

[bheld]

Like I've said before, the scapegoating is obviously out of hand here. Look at their "declarations" for chissake.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

They are doing it because they are racist? Where the fuck do you get that? They are doing it because there are people taking government resources that are not in this country legally. They are trying to do their part for their town.

Haha, no they're not

Local taxes are nothing

Trust me, go to any bar and they are pissed that "spics are taking over"

I never heard about illegal immigration until this year, it was all just race before this...because blacks and asians are basically non-existant

[matrix3D]

Local taxes? What about welfare, Social Security and many other state and federal-funded programs that they are somehow able to receive money from even though they've never paid a dime into it since they're all working under the table? And let's not forget we're not talking about a few thousand people doing this... we're talking tens of millions of illegal immigrants. Where's the incentive to become a legal citizen when you can get all the benefits without any of the responsibility?

And the Democrats can't figure out why their Social Security program can't keep itself afloat? To me, it's pretty basic math. If more goes out than what goes in, I wonder what happens?

[bheld]

Originally Posted by matrix3D

Local taxes? What about welfare, Social Security and many other state and federal-funded programs that they are somehow able to receive money from even though they've never paid a dime into it since they're all working under the table? And let's not forget we're not talking about a few thousand people doing this... we're talking tens of millions of illegal immigrants. Where's the incentive to become a legal citizen when you can get all the benefits without any of the responsibility?

And the Democrats can't figure out why their Social Security program can't keep itself afloat? To me, it's pretty basic math. If more goes out than what goes in, I wonder what happens?

There are tons of illegals that get fake documentation and pay into social security even though they'll never get the benefits. It's a pretty simple fix if you're that concerned about it. Give them the documentation they need to work and they'll start paying taxes.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by matrix3D

Local taxes? What about welfare, Social Security and many other state and federal-funded programs that they are somehow able to receive money from even though they've never paid a dime into it since they're all working under the table? And let's not forget we're not talking about a few thousand people doing this... we're talking tens of millions of illegal immigrants. Where's the incentive to become a legal citizen when you can get all the benefits without any of the responsibility?

And the Democrats can't figure out why their Social Security program can't keep itself afloat? To me, it's pretty basic math. If more goes out than what goes in, I wonder what happens?

Hazleton lives off government aid, its citizens have had their share of food stamps and the elderly live in project-like apartments and regard SS as an untouchable sacrament

We're talking about hazleton...not about the country

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

They are doing it because they are racist? Where the fuck do you get that? They are doing it because there are people taking government resources that are not in this country legally. They are trying to do their part for their town.

I get that from the reaction of the people who were questioned. I could be wrong, I'll freely admit that, however I doubt that it is the case.

Why? Most people simply do not try to solve things in a ratinola manner. They react i aqn emotive way, and they tend to put things, people included, into boxwes because it is far easier to deal with.