Egypt MP: only nuclear bomb will stop Israel - Page 2

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 06:13 PM

Yeah, the point was that saying something <> acting

ballz2wallz · 02-13-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Yeah, the point was that saying something <> acting

Yes, and Israel has had nukes this whole time and never acted with them, nor threatened.

The Muslim community down there has also continued to act against Israel (surely you haven't forgotten?) and they have threatened to use nukes on them when they get them. BIG difference.

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yes, and Israel has had nukes this whole time and never acted with them, nor threatened.

The Muslim community down there has also continued to act against Israel (surely you haven't forgotten?) and they have threatened to use nukes on them when they get them. BIG difference.

I would say on the whole there is far more rhetoric from Nations than action against Israel.

ballz2wallz · 02-13-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

I would say on the whole there is far more rhetoric from Nations than action against Israel.

Really? Cause I hear about bombings, attacks, mortars, cafes, terrorists, unrest, etc. way too often in that area. Surely the Israelis aren't bombing their own cafes and clubs, or lobbing mortars into their own schools, or kidnapping their own soldiers?

In any case, I guess we can rest easy since all those threats are nothing but mere rhetoric?

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Really? Cause I hear about bombings, attacks, mortars, cafes, terrorists, unrest, etc. way too often in that area. Surely the Israelis aren't bombing their own cafes and clubs, or lobbing mortars into their own schools, or kidnapping their own soldiers?

In any case, I guess we can rest easy since all those threats are nothing but mere rhetoric?

I did say governments for a reason. The militas / terrorists are a different animal. They also tend to be more action than talk, bar when they responding to some action Israel has taken.

The governments may or may not condone the groups, but you do not see Iran firing a large salvo at Israel despite it's rhetoric.

JaJae · 02-13-2007, 06:34 PM

I think the Holocaust would have taught us more. Not to push the Godwin button, but the Jews have been a scapegoat for a long time. It has never stopped anyone from trying to decimate their race at any time in history. When the opportunity had exited, they were persecuted everytime.

I agree thought, if they were to invade Israel they know at the very least the US would get involved, who knows about the UN though really. And we're tied up in Iraq.

JaJae · 02-13-2007, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

I did say governments for a reason. The militas / terrorists are a different animal. They also tend to be more action than talk, bar when they responding to some action Israel has taken.

Outside of Turkey to say, Palestine, the government is that militia/terrorist animal. And in Iran/Egypt, etc the governing leaders hold similar values as those "terrorists."

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Outside of Turkey to say, Palestine, the government is that militia/terrorist animal. And in Iran/Egypt, etc the governing leaders hold similar values as those "terrorists."

Palestine isn't sovereign. The governments may hold similar values, but that does not mean they will do the same thing - they stand to lose more if they do, so will stay away from direct conflicts in most cases

ballz2wallz · 02-13-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

The governments may or may not condone the groups, but you do not see Iran firing a large salvo at Israel despite it's rhetoric.

Hezbollah = Iran

Hamas = Iran

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Hezbollah = Iran

Hamas = Iran

Supported by isn't the same as run by. A nation may turn a blind eye or even help fund /supply a group without running that group.

ballz2wallz · 02-13-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Supported by isn't the same as run by. A nation may turn a blind eye or even help fund /supply a group without running that group.

What difference does it make? Iran is essentially attacking Isreal regularly, no matter how much you want to twist it.

Kytro · 02-13-2007, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

What difference does it make? Iran is essentially attacking Isreal regularly, no matter how much you want to twist it.

It makes a difference in so far as what action Iran and nations with a similar viewpoint will take.

Iran isn't attacking Israel regardless of how you want to view it. Providing somebody else with the ability to do something you want done isn't the same as doing it yourself. Iran is providing militias with material support - absolutely, and they have a responsibility for that but it is an entirely different from direct conflict between sovereign nations.

Simius · 02-13-2007, 10:36 PM

Thanks guys. I'm glad I found this place. The debates here seem to be about five times as intelligent as the other forums I have seen. Plus the dark skin = sex.

hmm... I meant to quote two people... I guess I still need to learn how to use this forum.

RX Bandit · 02-16-2007, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

What difference does it make? Iran is essentially attacking Isreal regularly, no matter how much you want to twist it.

Iran is attacking the US by proxies - Hamas, Hizbullah, and Shia insurgents in Iraq. Israel is the easy target for the first two and the US has been more than willing to sacrifice Jewish lives as the US proxy while keeping a tight leash on how much the IDF can engage (Lebanon), and how overtly/how much arms can be filtered to Fatah to fan the flames with Hamas.

I led a mess signing of appeals in the community today (for the third time since the Lebanon incident) to the ICRC for action concerning the kidnapped three IDF soldiers FWIW as a tangent. One of the local rabbis printed out flashy letters to sign which I can't find online but it was basically this Children Of Jewish Holocaust Syrvivors Los Angeles

JSmythe · 02-18-2007, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by RX Bandit

I led a mess signing of appeals in the community today (for the third time since the Lebanon incident) to the ICRC for action concerning the kidnapped three IDF soldiers FWIW as a tangent. One of the local rabbis printed out flashy letters to sign which I can't find online but it was basically this Children Of Jewish Holocaust Syrvivors Los Angeles

Trying to get popular support for Israel is a difficult task.

Donkey® · 02-19-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by RX Bandit

Iran is attacking the US by proxies - Hamas, Hizbullah, and Shia insurgents in Iraq. Israel is the easy target for the first two and the US has been more than willing to sacrifice Jewish lives as the US proxy while keeping a tight leash on how much the IDF can engage (Lebanon), and how overtly/how much arms can be filtered to Fatah to fan the flames with Hamas.

I led a mess signing of appeals in the community today (for the third time since the Lebanon incident) to the ICRC for action concerning the kidnapped three IDF soldiers FWIW as a tangent. One of the local rabbis printed out flashy letters to sign which I can't find online but it was basically this Children Of Jewish Holocaust Syrvivors Los Angeles

Can you link me to the last attack by Hamas against the US? I seemed to have missed that...Hezbollah too.

DosEquis · 02-19-2007, 11:54 AM

Bill Maher made a great point over the weekend.

The shia muslims are basically the ones we put in to power. The shia are sympathetic to Iran. The sunni insurgents are the ones who are most pissed about the situation and attack our soldiers more frequently. They get help from the Saudis. Whether it be 9/11 or the sunni insurgents, it appears that the Saudis again are one of the culprits. We leave them alone though of course.

Pro Street · 02-19-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Bill Maher made a great point over the weekend.

The shia muslims are basically the ones we put in to power. The shia are sympathetic to Iran. The sunni insurgents are the ones who are most pissed about the situation and attack our soldiers more frequently. They get help from the Saudis. Whether it be 9/11 or the sunni insurgents, it appears that the Saudis again are one of the culprits. We leave them alone though of course.

Just because Saudis are largely Sunni doesn't mean they're supporting them.. in fact I see nothing to show that they are. If anything they're constantly trying to help get Iraq stable.

RX Bandit · 02-19-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Can you link me to the last attack by Hamas against the US? I seemed to have missed that...Hezbollah too.

The point

Your head

Proxies of Iran. Proxies of US. Not direct attack.

7960 · 02-19-2007, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kytro

Whenever they have decided it was a good idea. The best example is what happened with hezbollah. They reacted to a situation and all the came of it was lots of dead people.

While they often do act in self defense, they tend not to worry too much about civilians that get in the way

that's what happens when the opposing "military" uses residential areas as bases