College educations, accessability, free money? free educations? *discussion within*

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

yes it does.

riiight.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Move? Ha. Must be nice to be able to afford that anytime you want.

Originally Posted by 7960

or look elsewhere.

Another thing, just because a company is offering tuition reimbursement doesn't mean everyone is promised a job at said company...nor does it mean people can't get laid off from said job.

They were taking everyone who applied for the entire time I worked there. I looked up the one I worked at...they're still taking everyone who applies. If I remember correctly, work there 3 months and then you're eligible for tuition as long as you maintain a 2.5. These are choices you get to make.

Nor does it mean they won't get hit by a big brown truck. Nor does it mean you won't get fired for showing up to work drunk. Nor does it mean the buiding won't collapse and cut off your hand. But that's just you trying to change the subject so none of those, including your "laid off" thing, are worth addressing.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

They were taking everyone who applied for the entire time I worked there. I looked up the one I worked at...they're still taking everyone who applies. If I remember correctly, work there 3 months and then you're eligible for tuition as long as you maintain a 2.5. These are choices you get to make.

Nor does it mean they won't get hit by a big brown truck. Nor does it mean you won't get fired for showing up to work drunk. Nor does it mean the buiding won't collapse and cut off your hand. But that's just you trying to change the subject so none of those, including your "laid off" thing, are worth addressing.

did you go to an in-state school or out of state?

[DosEquis]

I got 6500 in reimbursement from my employer, but i also had to cough up another 10k to pay all the bills. That 10k came from student loans.

Basing national policy off of 1 person or even 10,000 personal experiences is plain ass stupid. You can squabble over the minor details but the bottom line is that some people can't just up and move, quit and leave. Whether it is education or a job.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

They were taking everyone who applied for the entire time I worked there. I looked up the one I worked at...they're still taking everyone who applies. If I remember correctly, work there 3 months and then you're eligible for tuition as long as you maintain a 2.5. These are choices you get to make.

YOU ! = everyone. I know you think you're "Everyman Jenkins" but you're not. YOU'RE experiences don't mean shit when you're talking about millions of individuals.

Originally Posted by 7960

Nor does it mean they won't get hit by a big brown truck. Nor does it mean you won't get fired for showing up to work drunk. Nor does it mean the buiding won't collapse and cut off your hand. But that's just you trying to change the subject so none of those, including your "laid off" thing, are worth addressing.

It isn't a subject change. YOU seem to think that just because a job is there ANYONE can fucking get it...which is complete retardation.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

So... if someone gives you money based upon specific criteria, it becomes money you earned even if you did not extra work for it?

What?

If the specific criteria is working a shitty shift, yes. Should someone who welds in a factory be paid the same as someone who welds 500' under the the ocean? They're both welders

Should someone who works on a ford taurus be paid the same as someone who works on the shuttle? They're both mechanics

But this is probably more applicable to sorting packages at UPS............ should someone who digs ditches in florida in February be paid the same as someone who digs ditches in North Dakota? They're both ditch diggers.


cliffs: the company pays a premium to get people to work odd shifts because nobody wants to work them. I took advantage of it. I was paid more for doing it. I considered tuition reimbursement "pay" because if I didn't work there then I would have had to pay that $10k out of my pocket.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

YOU ! = everyone. I know you think you're "Everyman Jenkins" but you're not. YOU'RE experiences don't mean shit when you're talking about millions of individuals.




It isn't a subject change. YOU seem to think that just because a job is there ANYONE can fucking get it...which is complete retardation.

exactly.. I see a lot of things that are based on a very narrow point of view, that somehow since I didn't need something that nobody ever does. That since I was able to get somewhere means everyone can. That since I don't need help nobody should need help.

I can take my own experiences out of this. What really changed me from being one of those hardcore Paleolibs was when I would volunteer, both with Habitat for Humanity and also tutoring people to get their GED. I've also volunteered with the forest service and Boy Scouts... sometimes peopls just need a hand. It's not asking for full support of the person, but to give them a little help to get them to where they can not only no longer need help, but can help others as well.


It's just part of being a good person.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

did you go to an in-state school or out of state?

The cliffs version of the whole story... I went to college and hated it and quit with a very low GPA. I worked for a few years and wanted to go back. I talked to the school and they told me I had to bring my grades back up before they'd let me in. So I kept working and took classes at 4 different colleges to bring my grades up to the point where they'd admit me. It took so many schools because I took classes near where I was working at the time. I kept shopping around for jobs that had different opportunities (either high pay or tuition reimbursement) and then took a class near there. The counselor at the school said it didn't really matter what I took as long as I showed I was willing to work. Of course I got my graduation requirements and took some of those classes so they'd transfer in.

To answer your question, in-state.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

What?

If the specific criteria is working a shitty shift, yes. Should someone who welds in a factory be paid the same as someone who welds 500' under the the ocean? They're both welders

wow, apples and oranges there

what might be a shitty shift to you could be optimal to someone else.

Should someone who works on a ford taurus be paid the same as someone who works on the shuttle? They're both mechanics

you're equating an aerospace engineer to an auto mechanic?

But this is probably more applicable to sorting packages at UPS............ should someone who digs ditches in florida in February be paid the same as someone who digs ditches in North Dakota? They're both ditch diggers.


cliffs: the company pays a premium to get people to work odd shifts because nobody wants to work them. I took advantage of it. I was paid more for doing it. I considered tuition reimbursement "pay" because if I didn't work there then I would have had to pay that $10k out of my pocket.

again, you're trying to make a comparison where there is NONE. Working a specific shift by choice doesn't mean you're earning that money... it just means you're working a shitty shift.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

The cliffs version of the whole story... I went to college and hated it and quit with a very low GPA. I worked for a few years and wanted to go back. I talked to the school and they told me I had to bring my grades back up before they'd let me in. So I kept working and took classes at 4 different colleges to bring my grades up to the point where they'd admit me. It took so many schools because I took classes near where I was working at the time. I kept shopping around for jobs that had different opportunities (either high pay or tuition reimbursement) and then took a class near there. The counselor at the school said it didn't really matter what I took as long as I showed I was willing to work. Of course I got my graduation requirements and took some of those classes so they'd transfer in.

To answer your question, in-state.

but some don't have that luxury. I'd LOVE to have a job that offers tuition reimbursement. I'll definitely love one once I start at a 4-year in the fall... because not even the pell grant will come close to paying.


In-state tuition is subsidized by the state government through tax money. Is that ok? Because that's more money you essentially took... sure you paid a couple hundred in state taxes, but ended up getting a savings of around $6,000/year in tuition because of it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

YOU ! = everyone. I know you think you're "Everyman Jenkins" but you're not. YOU'RE experiences don't mean shit when you're talking about millions of individuals.

Aside from stupid decisions previously made in their life, there is no reason anyone can't do what I did.

It isn't a subject change. YOU seem to think that just because a job is there ANYONE can fucking get it...which is complete retardation.

Right, sorry. I forgot. There was a HUGE list of requirements you had to meet to get a job at UPS. Here it is......

1. be a citizen or legal resident
2. be able to fill out a check
3. be physically able to pick up a package up to 25 lbs.
4.

Oh, wait, there is no 4. That's it. Ignoring that some people aren't physically able to pick up 25 lbs (I've already said I'm more than happy to help someone with a legit physical or mental disability so this isn't an issue) then there are exactly 2 requirements to working there. UPS even had a van they'd drive around and collect workers so you didn't even need a car!

So, in short, the complete retardation is you thinking that someone can't work at UPS.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

Aside from stupid decisions previously made in their life, there is no reason anyone can't do what I did.

Again, "stupid decisions" aren't all a "choice." Shit happens in life.

Originally Posted by 7960

Right, sorry. I forgot. There was a HUGE list of requirements you had to meet to get a job at UPS. Here it is......

1. be a citizen or legal resident
2. be able to fill out a check
3. be physically able to pick up a package up to 25 lbs.
4.

Oh, wait, there is no 4. That's it. Ignoring that some people aren't physically able to pick up 25 lbs (I've already said I'm more than happy to help someone with a legit physical or mental disability so this isn't an issue) then there are exactly 2 requirements to working there. UPS even had a van they'd drive around and collect workers so you didn't even need a car!

So, in short, the complete retardation is you thinking that someone can't work at UPS.

Again...if they don't live by UPS, what does all that matter? Also...if you can't provide any stats from UPS saying "Hey, we've hired every single person that interviews" then you're really not saying anything with substance.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

wow, apples and oranges there

I knew that and that's why I put the last one in and started it with "But this is probably more applicable to sorting packages at UPS."

Working a specific shift by choice doesn't mean you're earning that money... it just means you're working a shitty shift.

If you can't see that pay is based on the job which includes the work and the time it's done then I'm finished.

But if my boss told me he wants me to start working my job from midnight to 8am and didn't include any extra/different compensation I'd tell him to fuck off.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

Aside from stupid decisions previously made in their life, there is no reason anyone can't do what I did.
Right, sorry. I forgot. There was a HUGE list of requirements you had to meet to get a job at UPS. Here it is......

1. be a citizen or legal resident
2. be able to fill out a check
3. be physically able to pick up a package up to 25 lbs.
4.

Oh, wait, there is no 4. That's it. Ignoring that some people aren't physically able to pick up 25 lbs (I've already said I'm more than happy to help someone with a legit physical or mental disability so this isn't an issue) then there are exactly 2 requirements to working there. UPS even had a van they'd drive around and collect workers so you didn't even need a car!

So, in short, the complete retardation is you thinking that someone can't work at UPS.

again, your situation is different.. not eveyone lives near a UPS center.

the mistake you are making is applying blanket expectations based upon a very narrow view.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

I knew that and that's why I put the last one in and started it with "But this is probably more applicable to sorting packages at UPS."


If you can't see that pay is based on the job which includes the work and the time it's done then I'm finished.

But if my boss told me he wants me to start working my job from midnight to 8am and didn't include any extra/different compensation I'd tell him to fuck off.

ditchdigging pays minimum wage and offers no benefits. But I'm sure anyone who digs ditches like a pro can look forward to being senior ditchdigger.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

In-state tuition is subsidized by the state government through tax money. Is that ok?

If that was true then it might be and it might not be. I'll have to think on that one.

But the reason I said "if that was true" is because the in-state tuition is offset by out-of-state tuition, not as much by the state as you're saying.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Again, "stupid decisions" aren't all a "choice." Shit happens in life.

Yep, and it's up to the individual to deal with it.

Again...if they don't live by UPS, what does all that matter? Also...if you can't provide any stats from UPS saying "Hey, we've hired every single person that interviews" then you're really not saying anything with substance.

jesus h. christ on a cracker

Originally Posted by 7960

or look elsewhere.