College educations, accessability, free money? free educations? *discussion within*

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

The burden of cost came down squarely on me. You make it sound like I could have quit working and still gotten tuition.

If your company paid the tuition, the burden of cost came on them. Give it up. You didn't pay for tuition on your own, you were given $2500/semester to help pay.


That's it. quit trying to change it into something else.

I applied because it was there and because if I got some I might have been able to start classes sooner. Yes I would have used it. No I didn't end up needing it.

Earlier you said grants increase your taxes by $3...now you're saying you paid in "a lot of money" like you covered it or something

Now it's your turn to learn to read.

Pell grants cost a taxpayer that amount. I've paid in thousands of taxes over the years. Read more.

People said that when I was in college, too, but I paid for it myself and graduated without a loan or grant.

you got a grant from your company of $2500/semester, about the same as a Pell grant.

And if you can't afford it but still choose to go to a $30k/yr school you deserve the wallet-fucking you're going to get. My tax dollars should not be used to secure someone's low interest loan for a private school he can't afford.

fine by me

I don't give a shit what's fun. I worked full time and took one class at a time. Then I worked part time and went to school part time. Then when I could finally afford it I quit work and went to school full time but I still worked as an RA for room/board, still had summer jobs, still did it on my own.

Why do you think it's ok to fund something you can't afford when there are more affordable options available that don't require you to take money from others?

Apparently you couldn't handle working full time and going to school full time.

Why do I think it's ok? Because the benefits vastly outweigh the costs. I don't look at it as "taking money from others." They're taxes, they suck, but they're used to pay for things you might use, and might never use.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

If your company paid the tuition, the burden of cost came on them. Give it up. You didn't pay for tuition on your own, you were given $2500/semester to help pay.

BECAUSE i WORKED FOR IT!

Here, kingovernor said it better than me

NO IT IS NOT

Taxes and compensation for labor are not the same thing.

College educations, accessability, free money? free educations? *discussion within*

I can't deal with your ignorance any more.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

BECAUSE i WORKED FOR IT!

Here, kingovernor said it better than me



I can't deal with your ignorance any more.

ignorance?

you got a benefit.. you worked for your wages, and got the reimbursement on the side.. it's the same as medical care, it's a BENEFIT.

jesus christ, you worked, but you didn't earn the reimbursement as wages, it was gratituity offered by your company as an incentive to work there...jesus fuck.. this is fucking stupid and more like ... how can you fucking call a fringe benefit a fucking wage?


you were GRANTED the money.

you then fucking point me to a completely irrelevant post


again, your reimbursement was not something you earned as a wage, it was a gift by your company. You're just to damn proud to admit you got a fucking gift. GIVE IT UP AND SUCK IT UP.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

ignorance?

yes.

you got a benefit.. you worked for your wages, and got the reimbursement on the side.. it's the same as medical care, it's a BENEFIT.

jesus christ, you worked, but you didn't earn the reimbursement as wages, it was gratituity offered by your company as an incentive to work there...jesus fuck.. this is fucking stupid and more like ... how can you fucking call a fringe benefit a fucking wage?

I NEVER CALLED IT A WAGE!

What I've said all along is I paid for college without anyone else's help. I didn't take a loan, I didn't get money from mom/dad/family, I didn't steal money, I didn't get it free from the school... I worked for it, I paid for it, I picked jobs that helped me accomplish my goal of not having a bill when I was done.

I've said that at least 3 times in this thread (now 4).






Address this comment:

Using your logic if I left my $18/hr job and took a job making $40/hr and used that extra money for school then I couldn't claim to have done it on my own because "the new company paid more"

You're telling me I'm trying to debate semantics when that's exactly what you're doing. I paid for college myself. Whether I left my current job got a job for $40/hr and used that cash or took a cut in pay to work somewhere that reimbursed me for tuition, I paid for it by wisely picking jobs that helped me pay for school.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by 7960

yes.

I NEVER CALLED IT A WAGE!

What I've said all along is I paid for college without anyone else's help. I didn't take a loan, I didn't get money from mom/dad/family, I didn't steal money, I didn't get it free from the school... I worked for it, I paid for it, I picked jobs that helped me accomplish my goal of not having a bill when I was done.

I've said that at least 3 times in this thread (now 4).

Address this comment:

Using your logic if I left my $18/hr job and took a job making $40/hr and used that extra money for school then I couldn't claim to have done it on my own because "the new company paid more"

You're telling me I'm trying to debate semantics when that's exactly what you're doing. I paid for college myself. Whether I left my current job got a job for $40/hr and used that cash or took a cut in pay to work somewhere that reimbursed me for tuition, I paid for it by wisely picking jobs that helped me pay for school.

You were given money from a company you worked for. Sure, you worked for the company, but they gave you a sum of money to attend school as a benefit. That's still a grant.

grant (grănt) pronunciation
tr.v., grant·ed, grant·ing, grants.

1. To consent to the fulfillment of: grant a request.
2. To accord as a favor, prerogative, or privilege: granted the franchise to all citizens.
3.
1. To bestow; confer: grant aid.
2. To transfer (property) by a deed.
4. To concede; acknowledge: I grant the genius of your plan, but you still will not find backers.

You worked to pay for some of your education. The rest was given to you from your company.


If the company paid you $40/hr in wages and you used that money for your education, then yes you paid for it yourself.


you got a benefit that was to be used for school. they gave that money for that purpose, to the tune of $2500 per semester.

It doesn't make a difference if you took a pay cut or not. What you did at your other job doesn't make any difference.


You're in denial, and it actually saddens me, that you'll debate for 2 days that your tuition reimbursement benefit was something you did work for.

did you do extra work for the reimbursement? no.
do you have the opportunity to cash in the reimbursement for an increase in wages? no.

it's a benefit, just like life insurance, paid medical leave, health care, and company provided child care. it's a BENEFIT. You paid for some of it, but you did not pay the amount that was reimbursed.. that money did not come out of your pocket, and if it did, the money was given back to you by the company. THEY footed the bill, not you.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

You were given money from a company you worked for. Sure, you worked for the company, but they gave you a sum of money to attend school as a benefit. That's still a grant.

[bullshit grant definition removed, real grant definition below]

Definition: A grant is a form of federal or state financial aid that does not need to be repaid. They're typically given to people who demonstrate financial need.

If the feds give you a grant you turn around and walk away. I had to continue working through the end of the semester and demonstrate grades to their requirements. It had nothing to do with need. I had to get a 2.5, and they had the right to discontinue the program whenever they wanted. That pretty much is the exact opposite of what a federal grant really is.

You worked to pay for some of your education. The rest was given to you from your company.

It was no more "given" to me than the money they "gave" to me for working that overnight shift.

You're in denial, and it actually saddens me, that you'll debate for 2 days that your tuition reimbursement benefit was something you did work for.

And the more I read your arguments the more I think our ed. system failed you.

did you do extra work for the reimbursement? no.

I did DIFFERENT work, YES.

If the company paid you $40/hr in wages and you used that money for your education, then yes you paid for it yourself.

Thanks for finally admitting it. This discussion is finally done.

There is absolutely NO difference between me working for $40/hr and paying for it myself and me working for $12/hr and them paying for it............ oh wait, yes there is, they got to put restrictions on it.

[motivez]

Some of the same conditions you've described exist in the federal grant... ie: minimum GPA requirement. There are other types of grants besides Federal Pell Grants, ie: private ones with the same conditions your employer had.

I don't see how what you got wasn't a grant just because it wasn't applied for through FAFSA, it was simply a grant of a different kind. I don't think anyone is implying you didn't work for it or earn it.. but it's different different from paying for college directly through working wages.

Without the grant from your employer it's unlikely you would have been able to obtain a job making enough to cover the cost of college without taking out loans or getting other grants (ie: the pell grant)

So, while you technically and semantically did not rely on anyone else, you still received assistance from your employer.

[motivez]

You guys need to keep it civil. Going back and forth and taking jabs at each other while discussing the situation is not acceptable, and infractions may be handed out for it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by motivez

Without the grant from your employer it's unlikely you would have been able to obtain a job making enough to cover the cost of college without taking out loans or getting other grants (ie: the pell grant)

I already said I was expecting to work another year and quit to go back to school. All I did by going to UPS was advance that about 9 months. The money worked out to be just about the same but I got to start classes 3 semesters sooner.

So, while you technically and semantically did not rely on anyone else, you still received assistance from your employer.

There's no semantics about it. I got no more assistance than if I'd kept my previous job and just worked another year, which I expected and was prepared to do anyway.