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Old 08-08-2006, 10:26 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by lew
Who cares?


If he had the weapons, or if he didn't, we still had no right to go in there and subjugate that nation.
Because these guys just can't admit when they are wrong.

The best part is they are still spreading these lies about Iraq and WMD.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:27 AM   #62
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Originally Posted by lew
But that's not the reason that Bush lead us into Iraq. Bush stated, numerous times, that Saddam had weapons and was ready to use them, even against the United States. Even if Saddam had thousands of fully loaded biological / nuclear weapons, but they were very old, not working, unable to fly, etc, then we still invaded on false reasons. Bush stated simply that Iraq had weapons and was capable of using them immediatly.
if saddam had old weapons, it's certainly not hard to imagine he had new ones as well. the fact is, he broke the rules already, and there was nothing stopping him from continuing to break them.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:30 AM   #63
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
if saddam had old weapons, it's certainly not hard to imagine he had new ones as well. the fact is, he broke the rules already, and there was nothing stopping him from continuing to break them.

But that's the problem. It is all imagination. None of this is based on fact.


Yes, it is fact that older weapons were found. But they were proven to be ineffective. There were absolutely no newer weapons found.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:32 AM   #64
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Originally Posted by lew
But that's the problem. It is all imagination. None of this is based on fact.


Yes, it is fact that older weapons were found. But they were proven to be ineffective. There were absolutely no newer weapons found.
i think it's very possible they were moved before we got there.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:34 AM   #65
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
i think it's very possible they were moved before we got there.


I think it's possible too.


Just like I think and hope it's possible that a Libertarian will win the Presidency in '08.



Sadly for both of us, we're both wrong and somewhat delusional.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:35 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
i think it's very possible they were moved before we got there.
It's possible that they never had any as well.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:39 AM   #67
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
It's possible that they never had any as well.
less likely IMO
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:43 AM   #68
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
less likely IMO
Less likely than moving them across the desert under our noses? Not really.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:07 PM   #69
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Don't get me wrong, i supported this on day 1. They turned out wrong they should be held accountable. They took action, the world didn't. The world ended up right in the end on this one.


We didnt have to be right, Iraq had to prove he got rid of all his weapons. He was still buying/making weapons the day we invaded.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:10 PM   #70
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He was still buying/making weapons the day we invaded.
Everyone in the know disagrees with you.
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
Everyone in the know disagrees with you.


Roland 3 missiles manufactured after the boycott ?
Long range missiles ?
Long range drones ?
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:16 PM   #72
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Originally Posted by Diesel66


Roland 3 missiles manufactured after the boycott ?
Long range missiles ?
Long range drones ?
In regards to the subject of this thread, WMD.
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
In regards to the subject of this thread, WMD.
In regards to the cease fire he signed and failed to follow.
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel66
In regards to the cease fire he signed and failed to follow.
You can't just change your arguement on a whim like this dude. You can't go from saying he had WMD's and that's why we invaded to he violated a cease fire without WMDs. Jesus Christ.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:24 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost
You can't just change your arguement on a whim like this dude. You can't go from saying he had WMD's and that's why we invaded to he violated a cease fire without WMDs. Jesus Christ.
It's called having a back-up argument for the weak one you started with.

Up next: The torture rooms and Saddams mistreatment of his people was the reason we invaded.
 
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost
You can't just change your arguement on a whim like this dude. You can't go from saying he had WMD's and that's why we invaded to he violated a cease fire without WMDs. Jesus Christ.
That was the argument all along. He never followed the damn cease fire, we see these weapons out in the open. We saw these weapons when Clinton bombed them. And the intel points to him having chem weapons still.
Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
It's called having a back-up argument for the weak one you started with.

Up next: The torture rooms and Saddams mistreatment of his people was the reason we invaded.


Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002)

Why we went to war, Congress approved.
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:33 PM   #77
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And the intel points to him having chem weapons still.
And those would be where?
 
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:36 PM   #78
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And that had nothing to do with the shitty intel the adminsitration was banking on while ignoring sources that told him Iraq wasn't a threat. Much of congress and the administration have admitted they were wrong, why can't you guys?

Let me guess, you think the American people would have still supported this invasion if the the term WMD never came up in regards to Iraq.
 
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Originally Posted by Ardentfrost
You can't just change your arguement on a whim like this dude. You can't go from saying he had WMD's and that's why we invaded to he violated a cease fire without WMDs. Jesus Christ.
WMDs were not the sole reason we went ot iraq. we also went in because he wasn't cooperating for what, over a decade. WMDs have now become a focus because it's ammo against the bush admin.
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Let me guess, you think the American people would have still supported this invasion if the the term WMD never came up in regards to Iraq.
i do
 
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