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Old 08-07-2006, 12:29 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by slosucks
beacuse its trendy to side with the underdog. and its also trendy to go against the bush adminstration, forgetting that every single session of congress and every single adminstration has adamently supported israel.

stop respecting their dispicable culture, its oppressive and goes against every liberal and progressive belief to try to justify organizations like hezbollah to defend themselves.


I guess since it's just trendy to go against the administration, they have made no mistakes. 60% of the country are just being trendy.


Please, it's not liberal or progressive to try and understand why people outside the US do things.
It's not like these people strap bombs to their chests and fly planes into buildings just because they are a little upset.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:05 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by DosEquis
There is a difference between defending them and understanding them. I think they should be wiped out and I support what Israel is doing. Afterall, they captured 2 soldiers and are firing rockets. I would shoot back also.

But I understand why they are doing their tactics. They have no chance if they square off like a conventional army. It would be like the 13 colonies trying to defeat england by getting in formation and shooting.
i see your point, but you have to admit that there are many people that blatantly defend them.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:07 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent


I guess since it's just trendy to go against the administration, they have made no mistakes. 60% of the country are just being trendy.


Please, it's not liberal or progressive to try and understand why people outside the US do things.
It's not like these people strap bombs to their chests and fly planes into buildings just because they are a little upset.

im no fan of bush, but because bush is so unpopular, people automatically go against everything he stands for. every single adminstration since 1948 has supported israel 100 percent, its pretty much one of the only thing congress can agree on both sides of the aisle.

they hate jews. please stop to rationalize it, honestly. they teach this shit in schools when kids are born, its on kids tv shows. theyre racist, anti-semetic, oppress women. why on earth do you want to legitimize and justify it just because its their culture and we have to respect it. they strap bombs to their chest because theyve been brainwashed their entire life.

and i think you misunderstood my point about being progessive and liberal. i said i think it goes against progressive and liberal ideoligies to support these types of organizations while screaming about human rights violations that israel commits. israel is the most liberal and progressive country in the middle east, and actually one of the most liberal and progressive societies in the world.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:10 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by slosucks
im no fan of bush, but because bush is so unpopular, people automatically go against everything he stands for. every single adminstration since 1948 has supported israel 100 percent, its pretty much one of the only thing congress can agree on both sides of the aisle.

they hate jews. please stop to rationalize it, honestly. they teach this shit in schools when kids are born, its on kids tv shows. theyre racist, anti-semetic, oppress women. why on earth do you want to legitimize and justify it just because its their culture and we have to respect it. they strap bombs to their chest because theyve been brainwashed their entire life.

and i think you misunderstood my point about being progessive and liberal. i said i think it goes against progressive and liberal ideoligies to support these types of organizations while screaming about human rights violations that israel commits. israel is the most liberal and progressive country in the middle east, and actually one of the most liberal and progressive societies in the world.
not to mention they are under complete religious rule
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:16 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
not to mention they are under complete religious rule
i could list all the things wrong with hezbollah, but if i do, ill simultaneously thing how people can justify them and my head will explode
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:00 PM   #46
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The only people I feel regret for in this entire incident are the civilians who have nothing at all to do with this conflict. They're getting caught up between a rogue organization and a nation attempting to defend itself against aggression.

Hezbollah's idiocy in capturing those two soldiers has no parallel in the region. Lebanon should have talked to Israel to work together to rid Hezbollah from their cities; instead they chose to support Hezbollah.

And no, I can't see how people are defending Hezbollah either. Without them, this whole situation would have never occured.

But, well, I'm sure it was bound to happen that some idiotic group off islamic fanatics would piss of Israel.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:05 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by slosucks
they hate jews. please stop to rationalize it, honestly. they teach this shit in schools when kids are born, its on kids tv shows. theyre racist, anti-semetic, oppress women. why on earth do you want to legitimize and justify it just because its their culture and we have to respect it. they strap bombs to their chest because theyve been brainwashed their entire life.
Yeah, because Isreali's dont teach their children to hate Arabs at all...
I'm pretty sure both sides are guilty of that... and honestly, who cares who started the hate, it all amount to the same thing in the end.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:07 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Renlin
Yeah, because Isreali's dont teach their children to hate Arabs at all...
I'm pretty sure both sides are guilty of that... and honestly, who cares who started the hate, it all amount to the same thing in the end.
there are 2 million arabs living peacefully in israel. i doubt the israelis are full of hatred for these people...'peacefully' is the operative word.

OTOH, israelis cannot live in the west bank or gaza without israeli troops giving them protection. coincidence? i think not.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:46 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Phantom
Shouldn't the intent of the aggressor be at the heart of this?

Hezbollah aims to kill civilians - that is exactly what they want when they rackelessly launch rockets into Israel. Any military targets hit are the collateral damage.

Israel aims to kill military targets, but at times kills civilians.

Isn't that a sufficient distinction?
Then why have hezbollah killed more soliders than civillians, but Israel have not?
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:48 PM   #50
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Then why have hezbollah killed more soliders than civillians, but Israel have not?
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:49 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Phantom
Isn't Hezballah doing pretty much the same though? They fire rockets, targetted to specifically hit civilians, then run and hide next to their own civilians?
They are not capable of targetting them other than...kinda over there.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:50 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Renlin
Yeah, because Isreali's dont teach their children to hate Arabs at all...
I'm pretty sure both sides are guilty of that... and honestly, who cares who started the hate, it all amount to the same thing in the end.

im israeli, i dont hate arabs, my cousins dont hate arabs, my parents dont hate arabs. no school books teach us to hate arabs. you dont belong in a thread you know nothing about. arab israeli citizens have equal rights as jewish israeli citizens, so go back to reading your noam chomsky book and drinking your chai tea
 
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Originally Posted by slosucks
im israeli, i dont hate arabs, my cousins dont hate arabs, my parents dont hate arabs. no school books teach us to hate arabs. you dont belong in a thread you know nothing about. arab israeli citizens have equal rights as jewish israeli citizens, so go back to reading your noam chomsky book and drinking your chai tea
Stop spreading your pro-arab propaganda!
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:54 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by slosucks
im israeli, i dont hate arabs, my cousins dont hate arabs, my parents dont hate arabs. no school books teach us to hate arabs. you dont belong in a thread you know nothing about. arab israeli citizens have equal rights as jewish israeli citizens, so go back to reading your noam chomsky book and drinking your chai tea
Wow.

Since your family and friend don't hate arabs, I guess no israelis do.

You have really opened my eyes with your eloquent post.
I shall burn my Chomsky books and swear off tea.
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
I shall burn my Chomsky books and swear off tea.
you should have done that anyway
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:56 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:56 PM   #57
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And I don't really care for anything but iced tea.
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 06:57 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
Wow.

Since your family and friend don't hate arabs, I guess no israelis do.

You have really opened my eyes with your eloquent post.
I shall burn my Chomsky books and swear off tea.

or you could interpret my post like a logical person would.

israeli schools and tv shows dont foster hate. actually, in the israeli version of americas top model (israeli top model in this case), an arab muslim won. this show works just like any other, people call or text in and vote. i know it might seem like a weird example, but you would think that israel being the demonic hate breeding anti islam country that you think it is, something like this would be unheard of.

but youre right, being from illinois you have way more insight than me
 
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:00 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
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For a group supposedly attacking civillians, they have sure focussed alot on soliders.

They also have said several times in the past that targetting civllians without having a military goal was wrong.

They opposed the twin towers, but were quiet about the pentagon
 
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Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
And actually Tea > You


And I don't really care for anything but iced tea.
I hope it's sweetened iced tea Southern-style Ice Tea ftmfw
 
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