Shhhh... The Surge is Working By Patrick Ruffini A gloomy haze has settled over the nation's prosecution of the War on Terror as of late. It seems like we can only watch helplessly as Nancy Pelosi and Jack Murtha size up new angles of attack for undermining the war effort. ...
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ ![]() ![]()
| Is the troop surge working?
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California ![]()
| Some would say he's a conservative hack with no credibility and therefore the information is unrteliable. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross People are free to fact-check his points. This is a debate forum...
In a news conference Saturday, a spokesman for the commander of the security plan said attacks had dropped by 80 percent. and.. Not only official statements say so (Defense ministry officials said today that attacks are down by 80% in Baghdad). We added men to Iraq and attacks have significantly dropped more than anyone would have imagined. Is that a sign it's working? Here's some sources: MercuryNews.com | 02/18/2007 | In Baghdad, Rice urges Iraqis to find consensus Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan People's Daily Online -- Roundup: Twin car bombs kill 10 in Iraq's Kirkuk Rice urges reconciliation on Baghdad trip - Boston.com | ||||
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs ![]() ![]()
| If that was all that was needed to end this whole debacle, why did he bring those troops home to begin with? | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent I don't think this is what was needed to end the debacle. But, Iraq is in a different political climate now than it was before. And Bush was responding to the 06 elections, the political climate back home, his approval ratings, etc. I can speculate all day why Bush did what he did in the past.
The reality though is we sent in more troops and in the past week we seem to have seen a radical decrease in violence. So the question is... is this working? As of now it seems it is... There's no telling what the future will hold though. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Err, no it's not working. Look at the types of attacks that have been happening. Ballz just the other day made a thread about the chlorine truck "WMD" and how their weaponry is becoming more powerful.
In Baghdad, Rice Acknowledges Frustrations in U.S. - washingtonpost.com
White House Watch -- News on President George W Bush and the Bush Administration - washingtonpost.com
6 months from now, how does this get us any closer to a political solution (which everyone acknowledges is the ONLY way something is going to change)? It's not. That's the problem with this "plan," it's more of the same.. and the same hasn't been working very well for us now. | ||||
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| At least 39 people died in a car bomb in Iraq today amoung other killings. I don't understand how anyone can correlate that a few less people died today than a week ago and somehow the surge is working and it's going to be Mission Accomplished for real this time. It won't work long term. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by motivez
You change tactics in war for a reason. That reason being the other tactics are not working like they did. How many chlorine trucks do they have anyway? With that said I am all for caution. There is never any clear victory in a situation like this. That is something the American people have a hard time understanding. But thank God only a small number of Americans get excited over every defeat. And those people on the left do exists despite all the flag waving denials.
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| The problem, RMNIXON, is that this isn't a change of tactics. This isn't a new strategy. This is a repeat of a plan that has been tried at least 5 times before and failed every time. This has resulted in a higher level of violence every other time it's been tried, and because we're once again taking over for the Iraqi's instead of giving them more responsibility, this time will fail too. We do need a change of tactics, and an actual strategy.. but this isn't it. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by motivez
Actually when I posted change of tactics I meant how the insurgents were responding. In that sense it may be working? But I am not ready to say this is working or not working. There is not going to be a magical day of "mission acomplished" and violence in Iraq will not stop whenever we leave. That is a reality. The best that can be done is to make sure the elected government can remain in power and that Iraqi's will not be drawn into a real civil war by the insurgency. | ||||
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est Pragmatist North Carolina ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
| Yeah, and never forcing the Iraqi's to take responsibility helps accomplish that how exactly? | ||||
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