Al Gore wins Oscar! BEST DOCUMENTARY!

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

The thing is you can't prove that it is false.

Neither can you, but a few posts ago you yourself said you didn't believe we had that much influence. Gore thinks we do.

Why do I have to disprove something he can't prove?

You had no problem with Bush and crew creating a state of fear about bird flu

Oh yes, yes I did. I was thoroughly annoyed about the bird flu nonsense.

and terrorists killing babies in the US

I have no idea what you're talking about now.

yet you now have an issue with Gore trying to get people to act by using fear?

Yup.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But I'm not asking what you believe, I'm asking what he believes, and you can't/don't want to tell me. Why not?

Because I really don't care what he believes.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But I've asked you to tell me what, cause I don't know, and you can't/don't want to tell me. Why not? You apparently know, don't you?

You don't know yet you want to blast him for it? Hmmmmm... And yes, I know what his message is. It's all over the internet...on his websites...go read.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You also claimed I didn't do anything. I proved you wrong.

If I did, it was unintentional. I meant you weren't doing enough.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Because I really don't care what he believes.

You should, if you defend him so much.

You don't know yet you want to blast him for it? Hmmmmm... And yes, I know what his message is. It's all over the internet...on his websites...go read.

I don't want to, I want you to tell me.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And you have no argument so what are you even doing here?

This forum is welcome to people to add insightful/scientific information to the discussion. I know many people on certain sides of the global warming debate choose to ignore things that go against their preconceived notions, but he's welcome to state what he said.

Your argument is simply that it's ok for Al Gore to waste more energy than most 20 families combined simply because he donates to environment and is working to spread a fear mongering message to scare people into living a less energy consumption based life.

Other people are trying to explain that if that's his position, he should lead by example. He wants other people to cut back on their consumption and their output, yet all he does is change his lightbulbs to fluorescents and donate a ton of money to environmental causes. That doesn't change the fact that he is responsible for a huge waste of energy.

Even wind power isn't fully clean. It still takes companies and fuel and everything else to keep the power to his house flowing. His ONE home of five uses as much power as an entire neighborhood. That's a lot of power. He also doesn't fly commercial, he flies in private jets. He drives around in SUV motor pools. Etc, etc. The fact that he donates some of his millions to environmental charities doesn't change the fact that he himself is a HUGE waste of energy. If he REALLY cared and if the issue was as important as he says it is he wouldn't be looking to make his contribution to pollutants less than he is. He doesn't really go out of his way, and not all of us can buy ourselves out of the consumption of our homes (minus all the other crap he does). His message isn't to just do something, his message is to consume less and be more eco-friendly. He clearly does not live an eco-friendly lifestyle. In fact through all his wind power and donations he makes, he alone is responsible for more pollution than the families of every person who posted in this thread.

The fact that he scare mongers people should not counter the fact that he is an extremely energy wasteful person to the degree where it's absolutely absurd. Nothing he does can change that. If he wants to run around the telling people to live conservative eco-friendly lives he should do so as well. Making excuses for him does not help the cause he is fighting for. If you really believed his message is truthful and necessary then you'd also believe that he needs to tone down his lifestyle.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

You should, if you defend him so much.

You should know what his stance is if you want to attack him. See what I did there?

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I don't want to, I want you to tell me.

It's not my job to educate you...nor is it my will.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's not my job to educate you...nor is it my will.

...

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

A 10k square foot home is not 20x the size of the average home. It is 5x the size. And homes that size are better insulated and more energy efficient to boot.

Sorry, your argument fails.

And you have no argument so what are you even doing here?

Maybe you should try.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You should know what his stance is if you want to attack him. See what I did there?

But I do know. It doesn't seem you do. I only want you to prove it to me.

It's not my job to educate you...nor is it my will.

But in a debate, argument, or discussion, it's your job to convince me you know what you're talking about. Of course I can research anything online with the click of a few buttons. Unfortunately for you, you're completely unable to back up what you say or claim you know, even though with the click of a few buttons you can also easily prove it to me.

Really amazing that you fight this so much.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

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Maybe you should try.

You're a pathetic mod...you know this though right? Before you tell people that Gore isn't practicing what he preaches...maybe you should try and do it yourself? (go ahead and ban me or negative rep me like you always do like a little bitch)

Al Gore's message is clear. You guys want to attack him for it, therefore, you know what it is. Now you want to attack me for defending him and his attempt to spread a message of "environment first?" I am not rehashing his viewpoint. If you're going to bash Gore for his viewpoints...then I have absolutely no need to think you don't already know what they are...therefore, I am not repeating them nor am I obligated to. Thanks.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You're a pathetic mod...you know this though right? Before you tell people that Gore isn't practicing what he preaches...maybe you should try and do it yourself? (go ahead and ban me or negative rep me like you always do like a little bitch)

Al Gore's message is clear. You guys want to attack him for it, therefore, you know what it is. Now you want to attack me for defending him and his attempt to spread a message of "environment first?" I am not rehashing his viewpoint. If you're going to bash Gore for his viewpoints...then I have absolutely no need to think you don't already know what they are...therefore, I am not repeating them nor am I obligated to. Thanks.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But I do know. It doesn't seem you do. I only want you to prove it to me.

Huh? I don't even like Gore...why would I defend his message if I don't know what it is? You're attacking me left and right instead of addressing GORE and his DOCUMENTARY. Glad to see people admonish you for it while attacking me in the same thread.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

But in a debate, argument, or discussion, it's your job to convince me you know what you're talking about. Of course I can research anything online with the click of a few buttons. Unfortunately for you, you're completely unable to back up what you say or claim you know, even though with the click of a few buttons you can also easily prove it to me.

Why am I going to bother to tell you something you already know? Why should I waste my time searching the internet for Gore's point if you already know it? Go do it yourself and stop attacking me.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Really amazing that you fight this so much.

Really amazing you get to do what you do and get away with it in every thread.

[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And you have no argument so what are you even doing here?

Wow, I think it is a pretty strong argument against the stuff you are spouting.

[Donkey®]

Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb. If the vast majority of the world's scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and killer heat waves beyond anything we have ever experienced.

If that sounds like a recipe for serious gloom and doom -- think again. From director Davis Guggenheim comes the Sundance Film Festival hit, AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH, which offers a passionate and inspirational look at one man's fervent crusade to halt global warming's deadly progress in its tracks by exposing the myths and misconceptions that surround it. That man is former Vice President Al Gore, who, in the wake of defeat in the 2000 election, re-set the course of his life to focus on a last-ditch, all-out effort to help save the planet from irrevocable change. In this eye-opening and poignant portrait of Gore and his "traveling global warming show," Gore also proves himself to be one of the most misunderstood characters in modern American public life. Here he is seen as never before in the media - funny, engaging, open and downright on fire about getting the surprisingly stirring truth about what he calls our "planetary emergency" out to ordinary citizens before it's too late.

With 2005, the worst storm season ever experienced in America just behind us, it seems we may be reaching a tipping point - and Gore pulls no punches in explaining the dire situation. Interspersed with the bracing facts and future predictions is the story of Gore's personal journey: from an idealistic college student who first saw a massive environmental crisis looming; to a young Senator facing a harrowing family tragedy that altered his perspective, to the man who almost became President but instead returned to the most important cause of his life - convinced that there is still time to make a difference.

With wit, smarts and hope, AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH ultimately brings home Gore's persuasive argument that we can no longer afford to view global warming as a political issue - rather, it is the biggest moral challenges facing our global civilization.

Paramount Classics and Participant Productions present a film directed by Davis Guggenheim,
AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH. Featuring Al Gore, the film is produced by Laurie David, Lawrence Bender and Scott Z. Burns. Jeff Skoll and Davis Guggenheim are the executive producers and the co-producer is Leslie Chilcott.



WHAT IS GLOBAL WARMING?

Carbon dioxide and other gases warm the surface of the planet naturally by trapping solar heat in the atmosphere. This is a good thing because it keeps our planet habitable. However, by burning fossil fuels such as coal, gas and oil and clearing forests we have dramatically increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere and temperatures are rising.

The vast majority of scientists agree that global warming is real, it’s already happening and that it is the result of our activities and not a natural occurrence.1 The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable.

We’re already seeing changes. Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing.
The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.2
Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.3
The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.4
At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.5

If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.6
Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.7
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.
Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.
The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.8
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.9

There is no doubt we can solve this problem. In fact, we have a moral obligation to do so. Small changes to your daily routine can add up to big differences in helping to stop global warming. The time to come together to solve this problem is now – TAKE ACTION

1 According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), this era of global warming "is unlikely to be entirely natural in origin" and "the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence of the global climate."
2 Emanuel, K. 2005. Increasing destructiveness of tropical cyclones over the past 30 years. Nature 436: 686-688.
3 World Health Organization
4 Krabill, W., E. Hanna, P. Huybrechts, W. Abdalati, J. Cappelen, B. Csatho, E. Frefick, S. Manizade, C. Martin, J, Sonntag, R. Swift, R. Thomas and J. Yungel. 2004. Greenland Ice Sheet: Increased coastal thinning. Geophysical Research Letters 31.
5 Nature.
6 World Health Organization
7 Washington Post, "Debate on Climate Shifts to Issue of Irreparable Change," Juliet Eilperin, January 29, 2006, Page A1.
8 Arctic Climate Impact Assessment. 2004. Impacts of a Warming Arctic. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. Also quoted in Time Magazine, Vicious Cycles, Missy Adams, March 26, 2006.
9 Time Magazine, Feeling the Heat, David Bjerklie, March 26, 2006.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Neither can you, but a few posts ago you yourself said you didn't believe we had that much influence. Gore thinks we do.

Hey, even I have to admit defeat and say "due to the majority of the scientific community thinking the same thing Gore does, I must admit it is probably true." That's something you refuse to do.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Why do I have to disprove something he can't prove?

Not up to him to prove it...it's up to scientists and they have done that.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Oh yes, yes I did. I was thoroughly annoyed about the bird flu nonsense.

I doubt it but whatever you say. I'll take your word for it.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

You're a pathetic mod...you know this though right? Before you tell people that Gore isn't practicing what he preaches...maybe you should try and do it yourself? (go ahead and ban me or negative rep me like you always do like a little bitch)

Al Gore's message is clear. You guys want to attack him for it, therefore, you know what it is. Now you want to attack me for defending him and his attempt to spread a message of "environment first?" I am not rehashing his viewpoint. If you're going to bash Gore for his viewpoints...then I have absolutely no need to think you don't already know what they are...therefore, I am not repeating them nor am I obligated to. Thanks.

Why do I have to do what Gore does to criticize him? If we all did what Gore did we're have a lot more greenhouse gases and pollutants in the air. Can you imagine if we all lived like Gore what the environment would be like...
I'm ok with talking about what he discusses in his movie and what he does in real life without adding to the problem as much as he does.

And why would I ban you? A lot of people dislike many of the mods of this forum. You're free to have an opinion, however, I suggest if you have a personal problem with any moderator or admin you take it up with them outside a thread. Some suggestions would be to PM the admins or use the Suggestion Box. But stating your negative beliefs of another user within a thread is against the rules.

I have no problem with Al Gore's message of environment first. I think it's a wonderful message. I wish more people had that message. In fact, I wish more people did more to help the environment. I have no problem with the message of "environment first." I think it's a good philosophy. I'm not bashing Gore because he cares about the environment. I'm bashing him because a lot of his arguments are nothing other than sensationalized crap and because he is a hypocrite.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Huh? I don't even like Gore...why would I defend his message if I don't know what it is?

Why would you defend him if you don't know what he says?

Why am I going to bother to tell you something you already know?

To prove your awareness of it.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Hey, even I have to admit defeat and say "due to the majority of the scientific community thinking the same thing Gore does, I must admit it is probably true." That's something you refuse to do.

Because I've personally seen far too many times that the overwhelming scientific community (despite it not being overwhelming in this case, hence the controversy) is wrong. Too often a single experiment, realization, or discovery has changed the scientific communities thinking. One time this happened in my own lab.

I doubt it but whatever you say. I'll take your word for it.

The bird flu fiasco was just as much of a media-driven super-hyped issue from the beginning, and I claimed it such. I claimed then nothing was going to happen, despite all the 'fears' and I was annoyed by it.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Why do I have to do what Gore does to criticize him? If we all did what Gore did we're have a lot more greenhouse gases and pollutants in the air. Can you imagine if we all lived like Gore what the environment would be like...
I'm ok with talking about what he discusses in his movie and what he does in real life without adding to the problem as much as he does.

ABC News: Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- A $30,000 Utility Bill

Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that "the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it."

A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses. (You can calculate your own carbon footprint on the website Carbon Footprint)

The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to zero."