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[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Which he does. Next?

Are you seriously believing what you are saying?

The man uses exponentially more power than he needs. I build houses the size of his for a living, I know what it costs to maintain them. He is going overboard. Plain. Simple.

Quit deluding yourself while trying to delude others.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

The man uses exponentially more power than he needs. I build houses the size of his for a living, I know what it costs to maintain them. He is going overboard. Plain. Simple.

And how much power does he need? You are like a socialist saying someone has more money than the need.


You build houses that size? Do they also function to house employees and run offices out of?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

Are you seriously believing what you are saying?

The man uses exponentially more power than he needs. I build houses the size of his for a living, I know what it costs to maintain them. He is going overboard. Plain. Simple.

Quit deluding yourself while trying to delude others.

I am the socialist here...I don't think he "needs" ANYTHING he has (Just like 99% of all people in this country) but that isn't the point of this discussion. The point is Gore is a "hypocrite" because he doesn't do what he asks others to do...which is 500% false. He doesn't ask anyone to do anything he doesn't do. PERIOD. You guys can keep picking on the shit he has and owns and what he flies and drives but none of that matters and you look retarded doing it.

[Stylerod]

To tell you the truth, I think him living in a 10,000 square foot house isn't that bad. That is really big but I don't know if you could call a house that size a mansion.

I just think it's odd that his utility bills are so high when you combine his electric and gas. Seems WAY high for a house that size.

[motivez]

It's higher because he purchases energy from a company that sells green power, and they charge more..

Not to mention that his house serves as an office for himself, and his wife, not to mention their assistants, and it also is where they conduct meetings and other things for their organization(s)

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

It's higher because he purchases energy from a company that sells green power, and they charge more..

Not to mention that his house serves as an office for himself, and his wife, not to mention their assistants, and it also is where they conduct meetings and other things for their organization(s)

Here is a quote from the original "locked" thread topic post:



"The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average."


What does that have to do with what he paid?

And what are those people doing in meetings that suck up so much power? Use your imagination folks!

Do the math. If the average household has four people we are talking energy use for 80 people!

[Thorgrim]

Vice President Gore's office also wanted everyone to know:

100 percent of the power the Gores use in their home (and in all their homes though I wouldn't bring this up) is green power.

Both the Vice President and Mrs Gore have home offices and conduct business at the house so obviously they use more power than someone who is just a homeowner

The Gores drive a hybrid, use compact fluorescents, et cetera

And the Gores live a carbon neutral life which means that for every ton of carbon they emit, they also purchase offsets.

^^^ It's pretty simple...if you are a big environmentalist...but need to get your message across, instead of sitting in a cave, you take the corporate airplanes knowing the damage, but offset it by investing so much that they cancel each other out...that way you're not only carbon nuetral but YOU'RE MAKING A DIFFERENCE BY GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT

The only acceptable solution seems to be that every expert on environmental issues refuses to fly and everyone is isolated in their town/city

Ridiculous, offsets are the perfect and only solution so that international figures can still be environmentalists

Also, Colbert takes you guys to town: Even WITHOUT all the full info that completely validates his lifestyle of working at home...with family...with a staff...an international business...costs up because he uses green energy, using all the alternative methods he can...driving a hybrid...investing in offsets for our future
Colbert Exposes More Al Gore Hypocrisy

[Thomas Crown]

The concept of "carbon neutral" is laughable.

The fact that someone has put a dollar figure on each cubic yard of carbon dioxide is laughable. The concept that investing in something to offset the damage you are doing NOW is laughable.

The entire thing is laughable. The man is a hypocrite.

We are all in disagreement, we won't agree. So why not drop a futile exercise in mutual masturbation?

And the solution would be to pick up office space in a "green" building, which is already using the power. Additionally, fly commercial. He can buy out all of first class for all I give a crap, but it is better than dumping emissions directly in to the sensitive parts of the atmosphere. Yay, he drives a hybrid. What kind? Many out there are BS liberal guilt-free-machines. Nothing more. Hybrid Lexus? A joke. He could drive a Prius if he really care or better yet a or help get more SMARTS or other eco-friendly vehicles over here.

If the problem really exists, then it requires sacrifice, not "offsetting".

Final edit: If I had his money, I'd be living energy independent anyway. Solar panels, geotherm, natural gas (which is infinitely cleaner than other carbons). Why doesn't he rig his house up this way?

[RMNIXON]

Tuesday from Al Gore:

He noted that recently the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its fourth unanimous report calling on world leaders to take action on global warming.

"I believe that is one of the principal reasons why political leaders around the world have not yet taken action," Gore said. "There are many reasons, but one of the principal reasons in my view is more than half of the mainstream media have rejected the scientific consensus implicitly — and I say 'rejected,' perhaps it's the wrong word. They have failed to report that it is the consensus and instead have chosen … balance as bias.

"I don't think that any of the editors or reporters responsible for one of these stories saying, 'It may be real, it may not be real,' is unethical. But I think they made the wrong choice, and I think the consequences are severe.

"I think if it is important to look at the pressures that made it more likely than not that mainstream journalists in the United States would convey a wholly inaccurate conclusion about the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced."

Gore would not answer any questions from the media after the event.

Gore says media miss climate message - Nashville, Tennessee - Wednesday, 02/28/07 - Tennessean.com


Beyond the simple fact that the IPCC Report has not been released and only will be in a few months, Gore seems to be on the same RFK Jr. message of media fault. Not just Fox but half of it! How dare they report a debate is happening! And then he gets almost Jesus-like at the end.....and wont take those anoying questions.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

The concept of "carbon neutral" is laughable.

The fact that someone has put a dollar figure on each cubic yard of carbon dioxide is laughable. The concept that investing in something to offset the damage you are doing NOW is laughable.

The entire thing is laughable. The man is a hypocrite.

We are all in disagreement, we won't agree. So why not drop a futile exercise in mutual masturbation?

And the solution would be to pick up office space in a "green" building, which is already using the power. Additionally, fly commercial. He can buy out all of first class for all I give a crap, but it is better than dumping emissions directly in to the sensitive parts of the atmosphere. Yay, he drives a hybrid. What kind? Many out there are BS liberal guilt-free-machines. Nothing more. Hybrid Lexus? A joke. He could drive a Prius if he really care or better yet a or help get more SMARTS or other eco-friendly vehicles over here.

If the problem really exists, then it requires sacrifice, not "offsetting".

Final edit: If I had his money, I'd be living energy independent anyway. Solar panels, geotherm, natural gas (which is infinitely cleaner than other carbons). Why doesn't he rig his house up this way?

This is complete nonsense, you are saying if there is a problem, then everyone should take drastic action immediately

we both know that if the GOP/Libertarians were shown 100% proof that MM global warming was real and threatening our eath, they wouldn't do half what Gore does, let alone what you are calling for...

Al Gore's message is that we need to all be TALKING about global warming and doing SOMETHING...not that we all need to run around with our hair on fire and demolish our house and live in a cave

If he went that extreme, it would accomplish nothing, that's not his message...his message isn't to be carbon negative, its to be carbon nuetral...

I'm sorry, I am sure OTHER public figures are more hard-core, but he isn't, he's never been a big liberal that's why he won the popular vote which is a quasi-historical accomplishment in itself (after 8 years of being vice president) and he has not radically changed his views...this is the same al gore now in 2007 that in the 90s signed the Kyoto accords

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Tuesday from Al Gore:

He noted that recently the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its fourth unanimous report calling on world leaders to take action on global warming.

"I believe that is one of the principal reasons why political leaders around the world have not yet taken action," Gore said. "There are many reasons, but one of the principal reasons in my view is more than half of the mainstream media have rejected the scientific consensus implicitly — and I say 'rejected,' perhaps it's the wrong word. They have failed to report that it is the consensus and instead have chosen … balance as bias.

"I don't think that any of the editors or reporters responsible for one of these stories saying, 'It may be real, it may not be real,' is unethical. But I think they made the wrong choice, and I think the consequences are severe.

"I think if it is important to look at the pressures that made it more likely than not that mainstream journalists in the United States would convey a wholly inaccurate conclusion about the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced."

Gore would not answer any questions from the media after the event.

Gore says media miss climate message - Nashville, Tennessee - Wednesday, 02/28/07 - Tennessean.com


Beyond the simple fact that the IPCC Report has not been released and only will be in a few months, Gore seems to be on the same RFK Jr. message of media fault. Not just Fox but half of it! How dare they report a debate is happening! And then he gets almost Jesus-like at the end.....and wont take those anoying questions.

Yeah I think we should give the Iranians nuclear weapons, the President disagrees, hey fox give us both 30 minutes!

[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

This is complete nonsense, you are saying if there is a problem, then everyone should take drastic action immediately

we both know that if the GOP/Libertarians were shown 100% proof that MM global warming was real and threatening our eath, they wouldn't do half what Gore does, let alone what you are calling for...

Al Gore's message is that we need to all be TALKING about global warming and doing SOMETHING...not that we all need to run around with our hair on fire and demolish our house and live in a cave

If he went that extreme, it would accomplish nothing, that's not his message...his message isn't to be carbon negative, its to be carbon nuetral...

I'm sorry, I am sure OTHER public figures are more hard-core, but he isn't, he's never been a big liberal that's why he won the popular vote which is a quasi-historical accomplishment in itself (after 8 years of being vice president) and he has not radically changed his views...this is the same al gore now in 2007 that in the 90s signed the Kyoto accords

How would him taking the measures I suggested stop him from doing what he does now?

It wouldn't. Not at all.

What it would do is allow him to spread the message WHILE making the changes necessary to one, validate the message and two, help.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

What it would do is allow him to spread the message WHILE making the changes necessary to one, validate the message and two, help.

Very well worded.

[Thorgrim]

The solution for global warming isn't for everyone with a house to generate 100% of their own electricity and eliminate power plants

About half of Gore's energy bill was green, his energy bill was lower than that because of power-saving devices he uses throughout his house

Why would someone waste millions of dollars on a windmill farm in his backyard where it wouldn't generate much, or the same with solar...when he already has done as much as feasibly possible AND THE MONEY CAN BE BETTER SPENT ON INVESTING IN CARDON-REDUCED ENERGY PRODUCTION

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

THE MONEY CAN BE BETTER SPENT ON INVESTING IN CARDON-REDUCED ENERGY PRODUCTION

In a 34-page 1997 federal tax return, Vice President Al Gore and wife Tipper reported giving $353 to charity, an amount much lower than donations the family has made in previous tax cycles.

"Contributing financially to charitable organizations is certainly noble and should be encouraged and is something that the Gores have done when the resources were there," said Chris Lehane, a spokesman for the vice president.

He didn't always donate money... only when he got really bad press did he start donating.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

In a 34-page 1997 federal tax return, Vice President Al Gore and wife Tipper reported giving $353 to charity, an amount much lower than donations the family has made in previous tax cycles.

"Contributing financially to charitable organizations is certainly noble and should be encouraged and is something that the Gores have done when the resources were there," said Chris Lehane, a spokesman for the vice president.

He didn't always donate money... only when he got really bad press did he start donating.

What does charity have to do with investing in green sources of energy?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Scrum

What does charity have to do with investing in green sources of energy?

charity and energy kinda rhyme?