In state tiution for illegal immigrants

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Schools are for citizens who pay taxes for them.

This is not our system at all. Schools are there for all children not just the ones whose parents pay the most into the system.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by JaJae

In state tuition is something provided by the state and is meant to help people who have been paying state taxes.

They give state tuition tax breaks because it is an investment into the state, not because you paid into the system. Everyone in this thread is repeating the same arguement, that education is earned by paying into the system. If that were the truth, then we just shouldn't have public education, because the private sector would do much better.

We have public education because it is
A) humanitarian
B) an investment towards a more prosperous community

Anyone want to make the argument we should privatize education, then that has some weight. Otherwise, in the case of this kid, a high school education and in state tuition is entirely consistent with the principles of our educational system.

[RMNIXON]

I say good for Maryland! Anything that is a magnet out of my State. California start loading up the buses.....

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

B) an investment towards a more prosperous community

For our citizens.

Flooding the country with illegals is not an investment toward a more prosperous community. I have been living in the middle of this for decades. They do take jobs other people would work. They do cost a great deal in public services. They do burden our overcrowded public hospitals. They do fill our County and State Prisons. Now the "feel good" rest of the country away from the Southwest is just now getting a small taste of this......

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

How many illegal immigrants make enough money to own their own home and pay property tax?

Next to none. They can't get a loan and they sure are not going to pay cash because they dont have it. They won't buy a house anyway because they could be going home at any time if they are busted.

That is not necesarrily true.

Here, they are able to afford loans for houses because the add on rent to their income from other people living with them. They live a couple families to one house and then they are able to buy it.

They are not the desperate needy they are always made out to be.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

For our citizens.

Flooding the country with illegals is not an investment toward a more prosperous community. I have been living in the middle of this for decades. They do take jobs other people would work. They do cost a great deal in public services. They do burden our overcrowded public hospitals. They do fill our County and State Prisons. Now the "feel good" rest of the country away from the Southwest is just now getting a small taste of this......

There are citizens who cold use those rates instead of people who choose to live here illegally.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

For our citizens.

Flooding the country with illegals is not an investment toward a more prosperous community. I have been living in the middle of this for decades. They do take jobs other people would work. They do cost a great deal in public services. They do burden our overcrowded public hospitals. They do fill our County and State Prisons. Now the "feel good" rest of the country away from the Southwest is just now getting a small taste of this......

None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand. Actually in the particular case it could only be considered as an argument to the other side.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

So no school for inner city kids either?

The inner city kids that are citizens is just fine with me. Kids that are here because their parents are here illegally, no.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Scrum

A portion of the rent certainly goes towards the property tax. It will factor in to the price people pay per month. If the property tax for the lot goes up, so will the rent unless the landlord is willing to make less per tenant.

Do you think the landlord just eats the cost of the tax?

Think about it this way. Some stores around here have these "no sales tax!" sales. You are still paying the sales tax. They are either raising the price per item to cover it, or making less profit per item, but you are paying the tax.

I guess I consider them seperate when it comes to renting and property tax. He pays the property tax out of his pocket, he essentially eats it. He takes money he earned and pays it. Property tax might have some influence on the cost of rent, but I won't go as far as giving credit to the tenants for paying the landlords taxes.

Sales tax is a set thing determined by local government. Rent is determined by a lot of factors and property tax is just a small part of it. There is cost of regular housing, location, etc that all play in to it.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

The inner city kids that are citizens is just fine with me. Kids that are here because their parents are here illegally, no.

What if they are renting though? Or don't own property at all?

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

What if they are renting though? Or don't own property at all?

I think there is a great separation between people who see life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness as "rights" reserved to Americans and those lucky few who America "lets it," and those who see the same rights as inalienable rights, for all to share.

We like to nudge on the boundaries of that conversation, but nobody wants seems to want to go there...

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

What if they are renting though? Or don't own property at all?

As long as they are citizens I am ok with it. It was the citizens who voted to have property tax pay for the public schools, so the citizens children can attend. Illegal immigrants, no.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

As long as they are citizens I am ok with it. It was the citizens who voted to have property tax pay for the public schools, so the citizens children can attend. Illegal immigrants, no.

So you are ok with leeches as long as their parents aren't from mexico.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

So you are ok with leeches as long as their parents aren't from mexico.

No, I am ok with citizens using a public school system to get a quality education which would enable them to move on to a secondary education. After that education they have a chance of getting a job where they can move out of the inner city, buy a house, and pay their property taxes. The citizens voted to have schools funded by property taxes, so to me that takes citizens out of the leech category.

I am not ok with illegal immigrants being leeches regardless of what country they are from.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

No, I am ok with citizens using a public school system to get a quality education which would enable them to move on to a secondary education. After that education they have a chance of getting a job where they can move out of the inner city, buy a house, and pay their property taxes. The citizens voted to have schools funded by property taxes, so to me that takes citizens out of the leech category.

I am not ok with illegal immigrants being leeches regardless of what country they are from.

Not that I totally disagree with you, but if the illegals are paying into the property tax, aren't they paying for the school as well?
Or is the only problem that they didn't vote to fund schools on that tax?