McCain says US lives 'wasted' in Iraq

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Nope, you're wrong, he just apologized and admitted he misspoke. I'll have the text when it's posted.

He can say he misspoke and apologize all he wants, it doesn't mean I'm wrong. It means he made the smart political move, which is exactly what I said he'd do.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Oh I don't know, the government (those in charge of the war) and the generals over there in Iraq (those actually in the war) and the Iraqi government (those able to actually see the progress) all say it's going quite well

They've been saying that for years and yet the situation gets continually worse.

I place more faith in the news reports about the situation than I do press conferences and propaganda.

It's only after they retire that they can finally speak the truth about what's going on, and I think we've seen that time and time again. They can't come out while they're actively in control and say "SHIT! ITS ALL GOIN TO HELL M8Y!"

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by motivez

They've been saying that for years and yet the situation gets continually worse.

I place more faith in the news reports about the situation than I do press conferences and propaganda.

It's only after they retire that they can finally speak the truth about what's going on, and I think we've seen that time and time again. They can't come out while they're actively in control and say "SHIT! ITS ALL GOIN TO HELL M8Y!"

The British generals certainly don't think it's going well.

They are pulling out and saying "100% is impossible. We are fine with 60%".

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

they will only be wasted if we pull out

Isn't that but a matter of time? No one is talking about staying in there for years to come (which is what it will take). So if we pull out today or 18 months from now their lives will equally be "wasted" (if we take that logic) except that if we stay longer, more will die and isn't that morally reprehensible? To stay longer when we know we will pull out anyway without any measured success?

"Oh I don't know, the government (those in charge of the war) and the generals over there in Iraq (those actually in the war) and the Iraqi government (those able to actually see the progress) all say it's going quite well "

Many soldiers who had their boots to the ground and came back say we are losing. Not to listen to them is a waste

[JaJae]

Apology
Hot Air » Blog Archive » McCain apologizes for saying troops’ lives were “wasted”

Last evening, I referred to American casualties in Iraq as wasted. I should have used the word, sacrificed, as I have in the past. No one appreciates and honors more than I do the selfless patriotism of American servicemen and women in the Iraq War. We owe them a debt we can never fully repay. And America’s leaders owe them, as well as the American people, our best judgment and honest appraisal of the progress of the war, in which they continue to sacrifice.

[Scrum]

So where are the people who went after Kerry, Biden and Obama after "mispeaking"?

Are you guys calling for McCains head over this, or is this excusable?

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by motivez

He's a moron because McCain isn't wrong.

Since when does what's right win elections? Maybe I'm just cynical. Although after the midterm elections, you're probably right...the public woke up, and hammering on the truth is probably better.

[motivez]

The excuse is he really doesn't mean it. I mean, he supported the surge, so him saying something like this is easily forgivable.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Since when does what's right win elections? Maybe I'm just cynical. Although after the midterm elections, you're probably right...the public woke up, and hammering on the truth is probably better.

I'm sorry but we need to stop being afraid to discuss the various issues Iraq has because we're worried about political correctness or whatever. He's not wrong, and it's hard to hear, but it needs to be said because it's the truth.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

So where are the people who went after Kerry, Biden and Obama after "mispeaking"?

Are you guys calling for McCains head over this, or is this excusable?

There's a difference here in what was said and how it was said. This is comparable to Obama. Look up the reactions to that if you want to make an accurate comparison.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by motivez

I'm sorry but we need to stop being afraid to discuss the various issues Iraq has because we're worried about political correctness or whatever. He's not wrong, and it's hard to hear, but it needs to be said because it's the truth.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

I place more faith in the news reports

That's the scariest thing you've ever said.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by JaJae

There's a difference here in what was said and how it was said. This is comparable to Obama. Look up the reactions to that if you want to make an accurate comparison.

Obama didn't mispeak. Since when does the anti-war crowd misspeak when speaking out against the war?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

That's the scariest thing you've ever said.

It makes more sense to me to pay attention to raw numbers and statistics of the number of attacks, number of dead, and other assorted information than it does to the rhetoric of our generals who have tried to downplay how badly things have been going.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

It makes more sense to me to pay attention to raw numbers and statistics of the number of attacks, number of dead, and other assorted information than it does to the rhetoric of our generals who have tried to downplay how badly things have been going.

Yeah but you worship those same generals (because they are, in fact, the ones really over there) when they say they need more troops or more armor

And, quite frankly, the number of casualties are very low for a war. I don't see how that really is anything significant.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

There's a difference here in what was said and how it was said. This is comparable to Obama. Look up the reactions to that if you want to make an accurate comparison.

Originally Posted by JaJae

I have no problem with what he said but I do agree, his political inexperience is showing here. ...

So it it McCains inexperience showing here?

Or...

Originally Posted by RX Bandit

Its not just his political inexperience that is showing, its his Democrat parrot mouth that is starting to show that he will mimic his superiors (and the inexperience will make his tongue "slip" and become incendiary rather than just misguided). Its also showing his inability and lack of capability of creating a coherent foreign policy.

Or is it his "parrot mouth" getting him in trouble along with the inexperience?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Obama didn't mispeak. Since when does the anti-war crowd misspeak when speaking out against the war?

He's never said lives were wasted before. He's never been that un-PC.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Yeah but you worship those same generals (because they are, in fact, the ones really over there) when they say they need more troops or more armor

And, quite frankly, the number of casualties are very low for a war. I don't see how that really is anything significant.

I don't worship anyone. The difference with body armor is that there's other evidence to corroborate the information.. like, you know, troops saying they don't have it.

There's a difference between something like "Some troops do not have body armor." "Some vehicles do not have armor." "60 people died today in a car bomb attack on [city in Iraq]"

and something like Rumsfeld saying he thinks the situation is going splendidly and talking in circles.

[Scrum]

I love how people go batshit if you say the troops lives are being wasted, but the people actually wasting the lives recieve a free pass to keep pumping bodies into the incinerator.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by motivez

and something like Rumsfeld saying he thinks the situation is going splendidly and talking in circles.

Don't forget Cheney saying the British leaving is just another sign of how well things are going.