Please don't derail my thread, thanks If you want to make a thread about how hospitals stabalize people who come in bleeding profusely, do so Free clinics in any reasonable area didn't do dentistry...end of discussion on that, back to the kid......
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03-01-2007, 08:18 PM
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| Banned  Progressive Philadelphia, PA 
| Please don't derail my thread, thanks If you want to make a thread about how hospitals stabalize people who come in bleeding profusely, do so Free clinics in any reasonable area didn't do dentistry...end of discussion on that, back to the kid... | ||||
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03-01-2007, 08:18 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Maryland is not an expensive place to live. What's the cutoff for Medicaid with 2 children? I don't believe they take children off Medicaid easily, but I am not sure. 
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03-01-2007, 08:20 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim That is not the case. That was implied in John Q. But, they do take less dangerous patients and treat them for free. If they truly had no money and needed medical attention they could have done what many other poor people in this country do and saved the kid's life.
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03-01-2007, 08:45 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae you are talking about clinics, which has been said 3x already...did not do dental work
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03-01-2007, 08:49 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim No I was clearly referring to hospitals.
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03-01-2007, 08:53 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae clinics are part of hospitals that deal with non emergency medical care for the poor
in philadelphia, in undergrad I spent 6 hours to see a nurse at an ER and was charged over $50 and they had absolutely no one on hand who had any experience with dental work, i briefly saw from a distance a 30 something doctor who was a general practioner | ||||
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03-01-2007, 09:02 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
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03-01-2007, 09:53 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| a quick runthrough found you needed medicaid (which she didnt have at that exact time) or you only get a discount (which ofcourse is not free) on all the ones i saw...i imagine it applied to all the hospitals within a reasonable distance... BTW note how basically all of them say clinic or something that means clinic | ||||
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03-01-2007, 10:36 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| $80 for a tooth extraction sounds like she already got a discount to me. I wouldn't know the going rate. I was just showing that in Maryland there are plenty of clinics and dental offices that will take low income/non-insured and give them significant if not free coverage. Many of those offices have a sliding pay scale based on proof of income. So the next question is why couldn't she afford the $80 to pay for her child's tooth extraction? Or get a discounted fee/payment plan for a tooth extraction? If she isn't eligible for Medicare can she not afford $10 a month to pay for an infected tooth? | ||||
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03-01-2007, 11:04 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Here's more of the story.. The boy wasn't living with his mother, he was living with his grandmother. The mother accidentally allowed the Medicaid coverage to lapse by possibly not updating her address records with Medicaid and not following up. His brother also has 6 rotting teeth. According to reporter Mary Otto, a routine $80 tooth extraction would have saved the kid. In truth, a $1 toothbrush and a parent who cared enough to make sure her child used it each day would have have saved him by making certain the problem never got to a point necessitating extraction. For Want of a Dentist - washingtonpost.com The mother admits she didn't even notice there was a problem:
There's a lot missing from this story, but it seems clear that yes children should not go without health coverage. But parents need to take a more pro-active role in the health care of their children. Dental hygiene schools, such as those at the University of Maryland's Baltimore College of Dental Surgery and in Washington, DC at Howard University's College of Dentistry have excellent programs and operate clinics where unusual or advanced treatment cases are desired because they afford students an opportunity to learn important skills by performing difficult or unusual treatments. He went to the doctor because of a headache. Only then did they realize the tooth was bad. They gave him anti-biotics and said the tooth needed to be extracted. The next day he was having seizures. They took him to the emergency room where he needed surgery and the tooth was extracted. He died after 6 weeks of therapy from what they assume was the remnants of the infection in his brain. So from what I've read and learned... simply put the mother didn't know there was a tooth problem. She took him to get treated for headaches and they gave him antibiotics for his mouth as well. The next day he needed surgery and died unexpectedly 6 weeks later from an infection. It appears he got the tooth removed the day after she saw her doctor about the headaches. It's clear that there's a lot still missing from this story and the idea isn't to release the full story and keep this as a sensationalism piece, but there seems to be a lot of blame to go around on this one. And a lot of it is just life. The kid could have been a millionaire. If the mother didn't realize there was a problem until it was too late, there's not much health insurance could have done. Perhaps she would have gone to the doctor sooner had she not let her Medicaid lapse. I've recently moved and my car insurance renewals got sent to the wrong address. I called them bitches up and fixed the problem a month before my insurance lapsed. And that was just my car insurance. Had it been my children's health insurance, I would have been all over that one quicker. There is no way I would allow my children's health insurance to lapse because of an address change issue. Yes accidents happen, but that's not the fault of our nation's health coverage. There are plenty of places to get free or highly reduced cleanings. I don't have dental coverage now and I go to a university and get a cleaning for $10. If she had done that she would have known about his tooth and could have done something about it and quite possibly she wouldn't have found out until the day before he needed brain surgery. Even if it were extracted the day before, the infection needed to be treated (which it was) and it's likely the problems would have still persisted. Last edited by JaJae; 03-01-2007 at 11:15 PM. | ||||
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03-01-2007, 11:18 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| if kids were always covered, they would have removed the tooth immediately, no hassle about "give us $80" | ||||
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03-01-2007, 11:28 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I agree. But that $80 being discussed after the fact. The reality is she never saw anybody about Deamonte's tooth because she didn't know there was even a problem until the day before he received brain surgery. She admits it herself. She did not know he had an infected tooth that needed treatment and therefore was not looking for treatment for Deamonte. She was trying to find treatment for her other son who also has six rotting teeth. This leads us to believe there is poor dental hygiene in the family. Basically the kid had poor dental hygiene (poor parenting) and the mother didn't know the kid had a toothache until the day before he needed brain surgery (poor parenting).
The articles and consensus of this situation seem to be a sensationalist piece to attack the government. When in reality there was nothing the government could have done to resolve this issue. He received treatment the day he complained of headaches (according to his mother). And then he received surgery the next day when he had a seizure. At no point did he go without seeing a professional (except for when the mother didn't know there was a problem). Last edited by JaJae; 03-01-2007 at 11:34 PM. | ||||
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03-01-2007, 11:59 PM
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| no one is a perfect parent, and getting your kids to have great dental hygiene is a struggle for every parent, there are a lot of kids in private schools from "great parents" who have kids with horrible teeth there is one fact we know, and you agreed to it The other is an assumption, a way to say "hey, we don't need to do anything now" or "that wasn't my fault for not pushing for healthcare for kids, not writing my congressman" why? Because it was all poor parenting (at least that'd be the nice easy explination) | ||||
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03-02-2007, 12:04 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim This article is nothing more than sensationalism to promote an agenda. Nothing more. It points blame on the government and the health care system for the faults of a parent who did not get her child the dental coverage he was eligible for and needed. By the time she stepped up to the plate and did something for her son it was too late. That's the reality. The premise is the kid died because he didn't get an $80 tooth extraction as if it's the fault of the government or our healthcare. The reality is the boy was never denied medical attention. The mother took him to the doctor when he complained of headaches and he received brain surgery the very next day. That's the reality.
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03-02-2007, 01:25 AM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by JaJae While I agree, the free market isn't the best system to provide all things - simply because it relies on profit as a primary.
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03-02-2007, 01:25 AM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by JaJae You have to make a bunch of assumptions to think she failed as mother, when you have almost no data
however, instead of saying "theres simply not enough data for me to comment" you go right for the "SHE'S A BAD PARENT, HER FAULT" We know one fact, one fact...if there was universal healthcare coverage for every american child, that kid wouldn't have had to walk away because his mom didn't have 80 dollars Everything else is guessing just to make sure everyone here knows that a being part of a political faction that believes the richest country in the world doesn't need to take care of its children is ok...there's nothing immoral about it | ||||
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03-02-2007, 01:57 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I don't have enough data to comment, but your original assumption that the kid died because he didn't have $80 or because of the free market was based on what? Evidence, facts, anything at all?
The truth is the family has poor dental hygiene and the mother didn't know there was anything wrong with his tooth. The boy was never denied healthcare and received it when every attempt was made including brain surgery the same day; at the first signs it was needed. He also was receiving 6 weeks of therapy after the surgery before he died unexpectedly. Not bad if you ask me for someone whose mother didn't make sure her Medicaid was up to date. I'm not necessarily saying she's a bad parent. But she is the one at fault. If you're going to blame it on external things like not having $80 (when it had nothing to do with the cost of a tooth extraction since she didn't know he needed it) or the free market (which couldn't have saved her son), you might want to start at the source of the problem that could have prevented this. Last edited by JaJae; 03-02-2007 at 02:04 AM. | ||||
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03-02-2007, 08:56 AM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim free clinics do everything up to major surgery through their affiliated hospital
Originally Posted by Thorgrim you are wrong. San Jose, my grandmother used to go to the free clinic and had dental care. For anything major, they took her to the main hospital.
Originally Posted by Thorgrim IF the kid bothered to go to the dentist. It didn't happen in this case, perhaps it was because they were scared of the bill. Perhaps it was just simply the pain wasn't enough to want to go to the sadist
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03-02-2007, 09:27 AM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
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