Just got back from 300 - Page 3

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

this is like my 4th post in like 3 days? Yeah I need help

I counted 29 since 3/11/07

Thorgrim · 03-13-2007, 05:29 PM

TheStar.com - artsentertainment - Sparta? No. This is madness

Basically what I said before, the Spartans were the most NAMBLA culture to exist...possibly ever...and Miller has them making fun of others?

It's not just "making up a story about the spartans" as the article explains its ok to make sometimes significant changes, but to out-right lie about a culture is weird IN REFLECTION, but you can still enjoy the movie...but realize its as historically accurate as triumph of the will

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

but realize its as historically accurate as triumph of the will

Why should we even have to 'realize' that if we never cared to begin with, and never considered it to be historically accurate?

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

TheStar.com - artsentertainment - Sparta? No. This is madness

Basically what I said before, the Spartans were the most NAMBLA culture to exist...possibly ever...and Miller has them making fun of others?

It's not just "making up a story about the spartans" as the article explains its ok to make sometimes significant changes, but to out-right lie about a culture is weird IN REFLECTION, but you can still enjoy the movie...but realize its as historically accurate as triumph of the will

Lie?

It's a fucking movie/comic book not a documentary/journal article intended to be peer reviewed.

What do you do with "history" anyway?

JaJae · 03-13-2007, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Why should we even have to 'realize' that if we never cared to begin with, and never considered it to be historically accurate?

I thought the goblins and monsters was a giveaway that it wasn't real. I never went in to the movie with the intentions or the thought that they were even attempting to be historically accurate. It's a slice and dice movie about a historic group. I don't analyze the Flintstones for the same reasons...

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I thought the goblins and monsters was a giveaway that it wasn't real. I never went in to the movie with the intentions or the thought that they were even attempting to be historically accurate. It's a slice and dice movie about a historic group. I don't analyze the Flintstones for the same reasons...

I thought the fact that it was a movie based on a comic book automatically negated any need to go in thinking 'this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real'

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I thought the goblins and monsters was a giveaway that it wasn't real. I never went in to the movie with the intentions or the thought that they were even attempting to be historically accurate. It's a slice and dice movie about a historic group. I don't analyze the Flintstones for the same reasons...

Well then you're not a good historian nor would you ever make one.

Thorgrim · 03-13-2007, 07:05 PM

its not about a historic group, they made up a culture

it's a pure cartoon and we all know not everyone is going to come out thinking "wow, that was all 100% false!"

One of the most damaging things is that a vast majority are going to buy the anti-homosexual lines as being Spartan when in real life they enjoyed fucking 12 year old boys as 30-60 year old men, or forcing other prepubescent boys to suck their cocks

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 07:05 PM

really though. It got all the history it needed to get correct, correct.

It showed that Sparta was a near complete militaristic society. It showed that Xerxes wanted to subjugate the world; even got the dirt and water part right. It showed the ephors and oracle telling leonidas not to go fight and to respect the festival. It showed that a very small number of Spartans went to defend their land at a narrow passage way from 10s of thousands of Persians and it showed them all dying.

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

its not about a historic group, they made up a culture

it's a pure cartoon and we all know not everyone is going to come out thinking "wow, that was all 100% false!"

One of the most damaging things is that a vast majority are going to buy the anti-homosexual lines as being Spartan when in real life they enjoyed fucking 12 year old boys as 30-60 year old men, or forcing other prepubescent boys to suck their cocks

to be fair. true anal sex was actually frowned upon by the greeks. they rubbed their cocks between little boy thighs instead.

Thorgrim · 03-13-2007, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Grouch

really though. It got all the history it needed to get correct, correct.

It showed that Sparta was a near complete militaristic society. It showed that Xerxes wanted to subjugate the world; even got the dirt and water part right. It showed the ephors and oracle telling leonidas not to go fight and to respect the festival. It showed that a very small number of Spartans went to defend their land at a narrow passage way from 10s of thousands of Persians and it showed them all dying.
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Wow, Sparta was militaristic, there's a shocker, did you also see the part where the Spartans breathe air and eat apples?

Xerxes wanted to stop trouble making the Greeks were giving the Persians over the Ionians, and revenge the defeat of his father's small expedition from Marathon...Xerxes already had land much more valuable in Carthage, and he wanted more civilizations the Indian civilization was right next door to him

It was the Spartan leaders who decided to send a smaller force, but it was much larger than 300, Leonidas himself could have decided without oracle or any other advice to go with a smaller force

Also it didn't show other Greeks who stayed dying, nor really much of any other Greek involvement

So basically everything you said was wrong, and proves my point, it makes people think moronic things

Thorgrim · 03-13-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Grouch

to be fair. true anal sex was actually frowned upon by the greeks. they rubbed their cocks between little boy thighs instead.

A lot of things were "frowned upon" by the Greeks, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, besides thats why I left out "anal" fucking, and a 12 year old forced to give a 60 year old man a blowjob is probably worse anyway

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

its not about a historic group, they made up a culture

No shit, Sherlock.

it's a pure cartoon and we all know not everyone is going to come out thinking "wow, that was all 100% false!"

That's mighty presumptuous of you.

One of the most damaging things is that a vast majority are going to buy the anti-homosexual lines as being Spartan when in real life they enjoyed fucking 12 year old boys as 30-60 year old men, or forcing other prepubescent boys to suck their cocks

I doubt they even cared about the underlying tones that much.

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Wow,

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Sparta was militaristic, there's a shocker, did you also see the part where the Spartans breathe air and eat apples?

Straw man, you failed.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Xerxes wanted to stop trouble making the Greeks were giving the Persians over the Ionians, and revenge the defeat of his father's small expedition from

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Marathon...Xerxes already had land much more valuable in Carthage, and he wanted more civilizations the Indian civilization was right next door to him

See now, none of what you just said mattered or proved anything I said wrong. In fact you just supported the idea that Xerxes wanted to conquer the world. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It was the Spartan leaders who decided to send a smaller force, but it was much larger than 300, Leonidas himself could have decided without oracle or any other advice to go with a smaller force

And Leonidas is a Spartan leader is he not? The orcal was still consulted so your “could” means nothing. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Also it didn't show other Greeks who stayed dying, nor really much of any other Greek involvement

It didn’t need too. The story is about the Spartans, not the Spartans, Acadians and the Thespians.

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So basically everything you said was wrong, and proves my point, it makes people think moronic things

You’re going to have to try a bit harder there bub. Nothing I’ve said was wrong. I pray that you aren’t really evolved in anything related to academia.

Read Herodotus Book 7, this whole event is only like 20 pages, it’s not that hard.

Grouch · 03-13-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

A lot of things were "frowned upon" by the Greeks, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, besides thats why I left out "anal" fucking, and a 12 year old forced to give a 60 year old man a blowjob is probably worse anyway

No, you really left it out because you were wrong.

motivez · 03-13-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Grouch

What do you do with "history" anyway?

You keep asking people this like it's important somehow, so what is it YOU do with history exactly?

I doubt anyone else here has a degree in it, so go ahead and impress us

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I doubt anyone else here has a degree in it,

Thorgrim supposedly does (or is about to finish it)

motivez · 03-13-2007, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I thought the fact that it was a movie based on a comic book automatically negated any need to go in thinking 'this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real'

There's different levels people can enjoy (or dislike) a movie on. The comic book is based on a historical event, and the movie is based on a comic book.

Originally Posted by Grouch

Yes ,someone who has history as ~~there~~ their* profession but can't get past the historical ~~inacuracy~~ inaccuracy* of a comic book has a problem, most likely many.

Just because people interested in history (especially those that dedicate their lives to it) might look at a movie based on a historical event differently than the rest of us doesn't mean anything bad.

It's kind of amusing how important it seems for you to be right or get the last word about it, so speaking of problems, it sounds like there might be some underlying ones there with regards to history..

My take is to each his own. I'm not going to go around insulting people because they're capable of judging a movie on multiple levels.

* fixed

motivez · 03-13-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Thorgrim supposedly does (or is about to finish it)

I don't think that's what he meant, but maybe I'm wrong

ballz2wallz · 03-13-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by motivez