Mother instigates fight with kids

[JaJae]

Mom accused of driving son to fight boy - Yahoo! News

Mom accused of driving son to fight boy

Fri Mar 9, 10:01 PM ET

The mother of a 13-year-old boy was arrested for allegedly driving her son to a fight with another boy, then cheering him on as he struck his smaller opponent. Police say the mother shouted down another woman who tried to break up the fight across from Sutter Middle School on Monday. A student caught the scene on video.

Renee Ann Honnold, 37, of Folsom, was arrested Thursday on suspicion of two felonies, endangering the life or health of a child and criminal conspiracy, as well as contributing to the delinquency of a minor, a misdemeanor. Her son was cited for suspicion of misdemeanor battery.

"In my eight years I have never seen anything like this," Folsom Police Officer Kurt Knudsen said. "You can hear her on the tape shouting, 'Hit him! Hit him!' The kid is throwing serious punches."

What do you think the punishment should be for this? I think both mother and son should get criminal charges, at the very least they should be forced into anger management and social workers should check in her parenting skills.

But, do you think this crosses the line to such faulty parenting that the mother should be stripped of her child? This kid is very likely going to be a criminal when he's older. Does that give the state the right to step in? The state hasn't said anything about taking the kid away, I was just wondering what people's opinions are.

At what point can/should the state step in to remove a child?

[RMNIXON]

I can't even grasp the behavior of parents these days. They are so into being cool and popular with teens they act like them. It is a cultural sickness.

[Scrum]

Criminal charges for both, definitely. Throw the fucking book at her.

I don't think people should lose their kids unless it's an extreme case like abuse.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Criminal charges for both, definitely. Throw the fucking book at her.

I don't think people should lose their kids unless it's an extreme case like abuse.

We had people who felt overfeeding your kids was abuse. Is this kind of upbringing and abusive parenting style?

Are there different forms of child abuse other than sexual, physical and verbal? I would have to say there are. Is this worthy of removing a child from her? I don't know, but if a social worker decides she's incapable of raising a child properly should we allow the state to step in?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

We had people who felt overfeeding your kids was abuse. Is this kind of upbringing and abusive parenting style?

I don't think so, but I think things like this should be on a case by case basis.

Is letting your kid overeat abuse? I don't think so.
Is forcing your kid to overeat abuse? Most likely.

Originally Posted by JaJae

Are there different forms of child abuse other than sexual, physical and verbal? I would have to say there are. Is this worthy of removing a child from her? I don't know, but if a social worker decides she's incapable of raising a child properly should we allow the state to step in?

Oh there is definitely other forms of abuse.

I still think the state should only take kids away from parents in the most extreme cases. Other times, like this, there should be a probation system that requires counseling. If they don't do it, they go to jail.

[IminWonderland]

I actually know someone, who is close to 30 who told me that his parents used to do the same thing to him. When he would get into an altercation, his parents would tell him "You better win, or I'll kick YOUR ass." And they would watch him fight other kids. They of course, were not ideal parents in other respects, but when he told me this, I couldn't imagine that a parent would want to see their "baby" be violent. I don't even like my son to pretend to shoot me, or allow him to fight with other kids. I think it's my responsibility as a human to teach him empathy for others and how to solve conflicts without using his fists. When I told my friend my view of what his parents did to him, I said that I would never want my son to do that. As the result of probably partially this, and an overeggageration of his male ego, this friend of mine has maculinity issues, and feels that he has to prove his manliness and sometimes violently. This is not a good result of a positive upbringing.

Is it child abuse? We arrest people for fighting dogs. And Roosters. Why should it be any different for a person?

[smokie700]

i know when I was young my dad was clear about his views on fighting. Do not throw the first punch. Once that first punch was thrown then destory the other person. Keep in mind my dad was a very quiet but strong man. He was is a very honorable person.

Driving a kid to a fight and cheering them on is flat out wrong. The mom shold get some sort of punishment. the only thing I am on the fence about is the backstory. Was the womans kid the agressor or was he picked on first. the story doesn't say. If he was picked on first then I could better understand the parents actions.

[avsp]

I can imagine very limited circumstances where telling your kids to be prepared to fight might be acceptable. Learning to stand up to bullies etc

Seemingly in the instance described I think its ok for the state to take the kids off the Parents. However it really depends on what provision the state is going to make for the kids.

In the UK 'calling in social services' is widely seen as counter-productive so poor is the provision for kids 'in care'. Typically people prefer to aid the kids directly themselves if possible, saving phoning social services for incredibly extreme cases or for settling personal scores.

Currently we have a similar story where 4 women filmed themselves taunting & encouraging their own toddlers to fight. Spartans?
The kids are in care. The women are to be sentenced later this week
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