It seems they aren't even sure themselves of their own plans. Why have a press conference about something they haven't even figured out? YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed. That's almost embarrassing for them......
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03-12-2007, 10:10 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You 
| Democrats better do better than this at explaining their pullout plans *video* It seems they aren't even sure themselves of their own plans. Why have a press conference about something they haven't even figured out?
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03-12-2007, 10:22 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat  Moderate Northern VA
| this is the 2nd time that dems have been accused of not having plans... there's a thread stating otherwise. | ||||
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03-12-2007, 10:23 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Pro Street Is that what this thread is about?
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03-12-2007, 10:27 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street I didn't say they didn't have a plan, they just don't seem to remember it
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03-12-2007, 10:27 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz yes, that must be true.
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03-13-2007, 10:22 AM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
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03-13-2007, 10:26 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Pro Street This is the video of the info posted in this thread:
Party baffled by its own war plan?
__________________ No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair. Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid: As we look back in history, the Founding Fathers would be cringing to hear people talking about eliminating earmarks. | ||||
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03-13-2007, 10:28 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Pro Street From the sounds of the press conference it does seem true.
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03-13-2007, 10:29 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by JaJae :doh: My bad dude, I didn't even see that thread!
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03-13-2007, 10:33 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz It is pretty funny. It makes you wonder how they came up with the dates and timeline. If there was some logic behind it and reasoning they'd probably be able to remember it. July is only a few months away. Pelosi had a part in writing the bill I believe. The fact that even she couldn't get their FIRST cutoff date correct seems strange to me. You'd think you'd want that info before a press conference.
All the blunders, mistakes and flat out misinformation about their own plan being said at THEIR press conference makes the whole thing even worse. It's not like they were being questioned about it during the write-up. They held a press conference to explain this to the media and they didn't even know what they were talking about. Try to imagine for a second the fallout if Bush held a press conference and started mixing up dates, referring to 1980, being full years off on information, etc. You watch this video and for a second you're almost glad again that Bush is running Iraq and not the Dems. This really hurt them. | ||||
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03-13-2007, 10:57 AM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by JaJae Bush mixes up at least 1 thing in nearly every press conference.
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03-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by DosEquis He doesn't mess up the entire press conference. The Democrats are trying to show they're strong and competent on handling Iraq and they failed miserably here. Unlike the GOP they have no plan for ground troops in Iraq. They only focus on pull out dates and they can't even get that right.
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03-13-2007, 12:14 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by JaJae he messes up EVERY press conference, which is why he only has 1-2 per YEAR.
What plan does the GOP have when this surge shows to be ineffective? There is NO plan, and the excuse that, it must be classified" is a bullshit copout. | ||||
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03-13-2007, 12:19 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street No, and no.
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03-13-2007, 12:22 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Pro Street "when this surge shows to be ineffective"... "no plan", etc
The Republican plan is to do peacekeeping, train Iraqi security forces and slowly allow them to take over their country. They have been moving in and out of more hostile territories lately trying to give the people a taste of freedom without the faction groups around. They have been attempting to control the militant groups attacking each other and protecting the Iraqi civilians as well as continue to rebuild the infrastructure and aid in setting up a government. The Democratic plan is simply to pull out as soon as America/Congress would be willing to vote on it. And they can't even get their dates right. They want to initiate a slow bleed strategy and let the GOP adapt to it. The Democrats don't really have a plan, other than a pull out. And they want the GOP to rearrange what they've been doing to accommodate their time line, yet they have little to no understanding of what amount of time is reasonable and acceptable. All they care about is finding the magic date where they can get enough votes to pull people out. How it happens and the result of it isn't their concern. That they're leaving to the GOP. The actual logistics of fighting the war the Democrats have never attempted to get involved in. They just keep claiming there is no plan. Well our troops aren't doing nothing. If they were, we wouldn't be asking for a troop surge... | ||||
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03-13-2007, 12:40 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| They are working on a bill night and day, and changing dates, specifics, etc to get the Democratic House to vote for it...its no wonder she messed it up, she's changing details by the minute thats how Congress works, she's not ordering tank divisions to attack Ramadi The Democratic "plan" will be before the house floor later, keep your pants on the basics have been known for some time...put pressure on the president to finish up his "Plan" before passing it off to the next 10 generations, and then pulling back forces to Kuwait, resting and restoring our armed forces so they are ready for global threats, re-establishing ourselves in Afghanistan and finally finishing that war, and keeping a strong detachment in Kuwait of special forces, air force, etc to completely annihilate any anti-american terrorist havens or training camps pretty damn good plan compared to the shit we have now | ||||
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03-13-2007, 12:43 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim And yet Bush is President (far more responsibilities I assume) but he's 'stupid' according to you and your ilk when he 'messes up'.
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03-13-2007, 12:54 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by JaJae
Bullshit... and this term "slow bleed" needs to stop. The GOP wants to surge troops, then keep them there in addition to having no pullout date for what was supposed to be temporary. IF or WHEN the surge fails, what next? continued occupation? nobody asked for a ssurge, Bush come up with it out of fucking NOWHERE. any talk of an escalation involved 50,000 troops, not 20,000. The vast majority of the violence isn't an insurgency against the US, it's the civil war in the country and we're in the crossfire. We need to have a pullout date, or at least REDEFINE OUR ROLE in the country just like we did after WWII. The only difference between your statement of the GOP's plan and the Dem's plan is that the dems actually put more funding to the ISF, and a goal to have things done by. The only way you can make sure shit gets done is to set a date. | ||||
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03-13-2007, 01:05 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Pro Street Why? It's catchy, it correctly portrays the strategy, and people such as yourself hate it. I think it's a perfect term to use
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