A Possibly Different Take On intelligent Design

[Diamond Cross]

Could Intelligent Design be a form of atheism? Think of it, it talks about the possibility of a creator, but it denies God. That is, Intelligent Design avoids the subject of which creator to give credit to, and even takes proper credit away from which creator gave us our existence. So intelligent design fails to say which God or if GOD (the Judeo-Christian one) is the creator.

So, in one sense, it denies THE creator.

Atheism is about the denial of the existence of GOD, and any other deites, so Intelligent Design shares something in common with atheism since it fails to credit which god created us.

[Simius]

I wouldn't go so far as saying it is a form of atheism. Although they claim aliens could have designed us (as a way to disguise the fact they are actually talking about a god)... The arguments made for why we were designed would apply to aliens as well. So intelligent design is entirely dependent on a god to have either designed us directly or to designed aliens to design us.

I'll agree that it is poor theology though. (At least for an argument supporting the Christian god.) I mean, they put aliens at the same level as god. I'm sort of surprised such blasphemy doesn't rile more feathers. But then again, it is poor science too. I guess that's what happens when you try to disguise theology as science.

[up|dn]

Intelligent Design is just a rebranded version of Creationism.

[Scrum]

ID is just a mechanism for religion to get it's foot in the door of science. Once that line is crossed it will be much harder to fight off.

[thomez]

ID suggests A creator so it cannot be considered atheism.

[AVengeance]

sounds more like agnostic than athiest.

That said, you don't have to use God to disprove evolution. Any computer can calculate the odds. Once you look at that, you can't help but admit that evolution from goo to you is impossible without intelligent design.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

sounds more like agnostic than athiest.

That said, you don't have to use God to disprove evolution. Any computer can calculate the odds. Once you look at that, you can't help but admit that evolution from goo to you is impossible without intelligent design.

Not at all.

Amazon.com: The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design: Books: Richard Dawkins

[imind]

That said, you don't have to use God to disprove evolution. Any computer can calculate the odds.

tell me how you're calculating the odds. be specific.

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[Simius]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

sounds more like agnostic than athiest.

That said, you don't have to use God to disprove evolution. Any computer can calculate the odds. Once you look at that, you can't help but admit that evolution from goo to you is impossible without intelligent design.

The thing is, evolution doesn't have some kind of goal where I am the end product. Any number of species could have popped up by now instead of humans. The odds of a specific species would be astronomically low... but that really has no bearing on whether or not evolution works.

For example, if I have a series of letters HTHTHT HHHHH TTTHTH THTHTHT HTHTH HTHTH... HTHT HHTH. And my theory as that the letters came from flipping a coin, your counter-argument is "any computer can calculate the odds. Once you look at that, you can't help but admit that coin flipping from nothing to HTHTHT HHHHH TTTHTH THTHTHT HTHTH HTHTH... HTHT HHTH is impossible without intelligent design." Obviously your counter-argument makes no sense since the letters could have been in any order. Changing the order wouldn't change the fact that flipping a coin could account for the letters. Likewise, just because I happen to be here, and it is unlikely from the get go that I would have existed through evolution, doesn't change the fact that evolution accounts for how I ended being here.