So, I was watching Meet the Press yesterday with Tom DeLay

lew · 03-19-2007, 11:26 AM

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Delay, you raise an interesting point in an interview--in your political column. You talked about congressmen advocating withdrawal, and you conclude by saying, "Yes, I am questioning their patriotism." Why is that?

FMR. REP. DeLAY: Well, I--it, it is my opinion that when you go to war, we ought to all come together. You can debate going to war, that's a legitimate debate. But once you have our soldiers and our, our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together, and we shouldn't have what we had yesterday on the Mall of, of, of--in Washington, D.C. When the--those are not, in my mind--my opinion, patriots that are talking about impeaching the commander in chief, that are--that are--work as, as Tom's group works....

MR. RUSSERT: But setting a date for--is setting a date for withdrawal...

FMR. REP. DeLAY: ...every step of the day, undermine--I think it's aiding and abetting the enemy. When you tell the enemy what your strategy is, that's aiding and abetting the enemy because they can use that strategy to come back and harm your soldiers.

REP. SESTAK: Tim, I spent 31 years in the service of our nation leading men and women into combat in war. And I always assumed, at least I always hoped, that the men and women back here, the policy makers, day in and day out, were spending hours, weeks, debating about the best use of this national treasure. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said it best a few weeks ago when he said, as someone asked him about this debate and what's going on in the House, he said, "Our men and women of our military are educated. They understand the democratic process." I remember when working for President Clinton as director of defense policy, when I didn't agree with you, Tom, but that there was the Buyer Amendment to stop in a year any more funding for our troops in Bosnia. And then there was, in 1999, the effort not to place any more troops not--in Kosovo. While I may have disagreed with you, I respected your office, that that is the constitutional duty of Congress, to take pride for the common defense.

FMR. REP. DeLAY: Joe, you're a congressman. Go back to Iraq and talk to those same soldiers and you'll get exactly a different response from those soldiers.

REP. SESTAK: I talk to them, Tom. I talk to them all the time.

So, according to DeLay, if Bush wanted to bomb the rest of the world, that would be ok, since we need to stand behind our President and not question him at all. And if we do, then we're traitors.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by lew

So, according to DeLay, if Bush wanted to bomb the rest of the world, that would be ok, since we need to stand behind our President and not question him at all. And if we do, then we're traitors.

Not what he said at all:

You can debate going to war, that's a legitimate debate.

So, if Bush wanted to 'bomb the whole world' as you so eloquently put it, then that of course would be debated, and disagreed upon.

He said though, that when we DO decide to go to war, then:

But once you have our soldiers and our, our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together,

A bit of a stretch you're making there

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 11:39 AM

I am so glad it says "FORMER" in front of his title.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 11:40 AM

There is no point debating the legitimacy of the war. We've made the decision, as a country (Congress included) to go to war. Now is the time to win that war, to support our government, to support our troops, and show our desire to win and win it correctly.

The time for debating whether or not the war is right is long gone. There is a good post about this by one of our own members.

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Not what he said at all:

So, if Bush wanted to 'bomb the whole world' as you so eloquently put it, then that of course would be debated, and disagreed upon.

He said though, that when we DO decide to go to war, then:

A bit of a stretch you're making there

Ok, so let's say Bush wants to go to war with Iran because they are scary bad guys who don't like Americans. And we all agree he should go to war and bless it. And let's say, he changes his mind mid action and decides he wants to nuke the Middle East (No cheering at the hypothetical) but since Congress already blessed him, to not agree with his handling is unpatriotic?

I think ya'll need to re think what it truely means to be a patriot and love your country. And it has not a whole lot to do with the group think sheep herding that goes around in these political parties.

lew · 03-19-2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Not what he said at all:

So, if Bush wanted to 'bomb the whole world' as you so eloquently put it, then that of course would be debated, and disagreed upon.

He said though, that when we DO decide to go to war, then:

A bit of a stretch you're making there

Originally Posted by Tom DeLay

But once you have our soldiers and our, our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together, and we shouldn't have what we had yesterday in Washington, D.C. When those are not, in my mind, patriots that are talking about impeaching the commander in chief. [If you set a date] I think it's aiding and abetting the enemy.

That's EXACTLY what he said. If you disagree with the President, then you are not a patriot and are a traitor.

lew · 03-19-2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

There is no point debating the legitimacy of the war. We've made the decision, as a country (Congress included) to go to war. Now is the time to win that war, to support our government, to support our troops, and show our desire to win and win it correctly.

The time for debating whether or not the war is right is long gone. There is a good post about this by one of our own members.

This isn't about whether the war is right or wrong.

This is about whether continuing in this war is right or wrong. And the answer to that is that we should get out, now.

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by lew

That's EXACTLY what he said. If you disagree with the President, then you are not a patriot and are a traitor.

I'm kind of glad that's what he said. That means that I've been a traitor for like 6 years now. So far life is grand.

Scrum · 03-19-2007, 12:02 PM

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) on the military action in Bosnia

Delay is a dumbass.

Scrum · 03-19-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by lew

This isn't about whether the war is right or wrong.

This is about whether continuing in this war is right or wrong. And the answer to that is that we should get out, now.

I can't believe some people actually think blind nationalism is a good thing.

Authority is to be questioned constantly. It's the way corruption is kept in check. We should always be asking if we are making the right decisions.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by lew

That's EXACTLY what he said. If you disagree with the President, then you are not a patriot and are a traitor.

No, dude...

But once you have our soldiers and our, our young people dying on the battlefield, we should come together,

After the decision has been made, we should come together and support the effort of our military and our government.

Selective hearing ftmfl

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

No, dude...

After the decision has been made, we should come together and support the effort of our military and our government.

Selective hearing ftmfl

Since when is the support without strings?

This war was supported. And now it's not. It didn't get unsupported overnight.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by lew

This is about whether continuing in this war is right or wrong. And the answer to that is that we should get out, now.

That's irrelevant. We're in the war, we should fight the war, and we should finish the war. Whether or not starting the war or continuing the war is right or wrong is completely the wrong way to look at it.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

This war was supported. And now it's not.

And that's unfortunate.

ballz2wallz · 03-19-2007, 12:09 PM

Since when has the war become a sporting event?

Fair-weather fans suck in sports, and they suck in war too.

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

That's irrelevant. We're in the war, we should fight the war, and we should finish the war. Whether or not starting the war or continuing the war is right or wrong is completely the wrong way to look at it.

So, we shouldn't look at how we got there. We shouldn't look at what has hapened since being there. We should just keep sending troops
and keep financing the action without asking questions.

Are you like this when you buy a car? Don't ask how it got there, or if it works, just shut up, drive it, and make your payments?

IminWonderland · 03-19-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

And that's unfortunate.

LOL @ Too bad so sad

It's not unfortunate. It's very fortunate that the public has come to their senses. And it only took them SIX YEARS.

Scrum · 03-19-2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

Since when is the support without strings?

This war was supported. And now it's not. It didn't get unsupported overnight.

And it certainly didn't get unsupported on it's own.

It lost support due to lies being exposed and constant incompetence on the part of the people running it.

lew · 03-19-2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

No, dude...

After the decision has been made, we should come together and support the effort of our military and our government.

Selective hearing ftmfl

You're the one with selective hearing, not me.

Again, he stated that if you don't support the President's actions, then you're a traitor that is trying to help the enemy.

But I guess he doesn't consider himself a traitor during Bosnia.