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Old 03-22-2007, 02:56 PM   #61
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His offsets are investments in companies working on green technology that will make his firm money. I know.
Yes, but how Green are some of those companies? I mean I heard a guy from Pixar got his license suspended and rides a bike to work. When summer comes around and I have to turn on my AC I think I'll just buy myself a share of their fast growing stock rather than give it to Al Gore to do the same. The entire concept he's running around telling other people do to (offset their carbon footprint) is a sham. It's a way to get people to hand their money over to him so he can essentially make money on it.

The more scaremongering and fear he brings in the more he stands to profit.
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:57 PM   #62
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He should have setup a non-profit organization in the US rather than a profitable company overseas.
what company again?

link?
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:58 PM   #63
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what company again?

link?
Generation Investment Management LLP

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Old 03-22-2007, 02:59 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
Yes, but how Green are some of those companies? I mean I heard a guy from Pixar got his license suspended and rides a bike to work. When summer comes around and I have to turn on my AC I think I'll just buy myself a share of their fast growing stock rather than give it to Al Gore to do the same. The entire concept he's running around telling other people do to (offset their carbon footprint) is a sham. It's a way to get people to hand their money over to him so he can essentially make money on it.
the thing is that he's not required to give offsets. It's completely voluntary for him. He's perfectly able to spend the money on other things. I don't see why any of this is such a big issue.

Seriously, Gore is a celebrity right now, nothing more. how he spends his money isn't a political issue.

How much do other affluent people donate to green causes?
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:00 PM   #65
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
Generation Investment Management LLP

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he's the board chair, not the owner.

 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:00 PM   #66
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Originally Posted by Pro Street View Post
what company again?

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Generation Investment Management LLP
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:00 PM   #67
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Originally Posted by Pro Street View Post
the thing is that he's not required to give offsets. It's completely voluntary for him. He's perfectly able to spend the money on other things. I don't see why any of this is such a big issue.

Seriously, Gore is a celebrity right now, nothing more. how he spends his money isn't a political issue.

How much do other affluent people donate to green causes?
His offsets are a sham. And other affluent people aren't running around the world making millions profiting off scaremongering.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:01 PM   #68
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
It's about as credible as the money you have in those Nigerian bank accounts.


you and me own a company. We are both polluting more then the allowed limit in 2010. You can easily cut your pollution to a lot lower level then the new law requires while I cant. So instead of you only cutting what is required, you cut the pollution to the bone while I pay you the difference.

In 2010, the pollution from both of our companies is lower then what was requried by law. So why does it matter from which factory does it come from ?
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:01 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Pro Street View Post
he's the board chair, not the owner.

he is a partial owner
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:02 PM   #70
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he's the board chair, not the owner.

It's an LLP, he essentially is the owner. By being the chairman he owns the biggest slice. How big of a slice he owns nobody but him knows.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:02 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by Thorgrim View Post
Yeah, he fooled all those CEOs, they're all total morons...what idiot thought up corporations?

And give ME a break, if he was offgrid you'd be here going 'OH NOT ALL OF US ARE RICH SNOBS LIKE GORE AND CAN AFFORD TO GO OFFGRID, WHAT A JERK WHO WASTES ENERGY, HE'S A LIAR, FRAUD I HATE HIM, GOD I HOPE HE DIES IN A FIERY CAR ACCIDENT!"

Thor, your a supporter of gore despite facts that show him to be a charlatan...we all get that...
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:02 PM   #72
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their focus seems to be based around shaping investments around business practices in response to climate change.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:02 PM   #73
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Originally Posted by JaJae View Post
His offsets are a sham. And other affluent people aren't running around the world making millions profiting off scaremongering.
it's his money.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:03 PM   #74
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it's his money.
Now you're getting it
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:05 PM   #75
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It's an LLP, he essentially is the owner. By being the chairman he owns the biggest slice. How big of a slice he owns nobody but him knows.
again, conjecture
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:06 PM   #76
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Now you're getting it
so.. what's the problem, and how is this a political issue?
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:06 PM   #77
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Originally Posted by Diesel66 View Post


you and me own a company. We are both polluting more then the allowed limit in 2010. You can easily cut your pollution to a lot lower level then the new law requires while I cant. So instead of you only cutting what is required, you cut the pollution to the bone while I pay you the difference.

In 2010, the pollution from both of our companies is lower then what was requried by law. So why does it matter from which factory does it come from ?
I thought we were talking about personal households and not big companies? I'm not against cutting back pollution, but we don't even know what that carbon is 'pollution' to begin with.

Not to mention, what exactly can be changed in a household? People are going to live as they see fit. If they want to recycle, they will. If they want to cut back on heat, gas, or whatever, they will. To think that they will just 'buy carbon offests' and live as they were before is ridiculous. It will make no difference whatsoever. It's a scam.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:06 PM   #78
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There is absolutely no proof except speculation that he is not careful with energy, everything he says is that he pushes himself, his family and his home run businesses to use as little energy as possible

About Cheney, I believe it was DKos which made one of it's biggest diaries hoping Cheney was safe after the quasi-assasination attempt
What was it, 10 times the energy a month then the average person uses in a year? How many businesses is he running out of that home and how many people are in there using all that energy? For some reason I thought his home was his home. Not a business that employed people. I thought he already had an office:

Office of Al & Tipper Gore
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I'm not sure why you are bringing up Daily Kos. I was talking about someone on THIS site that wished him dead. No one that I know wishes Gore dead, as you mistakenly stated. But we are way off subject now.
 
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:08 PM   #79
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what company again?

link?

the two companies he has as funnel companies are a charity, and his carbon off-set company...details below...


Carbon offset company is merely an investment portfolio company for him...with assets of $208 Million

Here is link


His "charity" is merely a funnel for his money from inconvenient truth that he is "donating all proceeds from IC to Charity"

of which is a charity he formed, and he is Chairman of...

here is link

the clever part here...is that it is "a project of the Rockefeller Foundation" which means they do not have to do those nasty little discolsure things like other charities...and can mask the monies paid to the management/board...I am researching if they are a 501C3 independently or via the Rockefeller status...which would be another cute scam in itself...
 
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again, conjecture
that is a stretch beyond reasonable belief...he is Chairman...and founder...to try and detract from this is distracting from facts at best...
 
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