Originally Posted by MTdream the clever part here...is that it is "a project of the Rockefeller Foundation" which means they do not have to do those nasty little discolsure things like other charities...and can mask the monies paid to the management/board...I am researching if they are a 501C3 independently or ...
03-22-2007, 03:10 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat  Moderate Northern VA 
| Originally Posted by MTdream 
so it's easier to assume that there is nothing legit here, even though there's nothing to show otherwise conjecture? I see a lot of claims and accusations with nothing at all to show. no evidence, only guessing. | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:12 PM
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| Originally Posted by Pro Street
you see no issue claiming to donate money to charity, and the charity you donate it to, is your charity you founded, and draw income from? You see no issue claiming to pay for carbon off-sets to live a carbon neutral life...and the company you are paying, is not paying for carbon credits but your personal asset management business???? not seeing this as complete dishonesty is looking through Gore colored glasses... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:14 PM
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| Originally Posted by Pro Street
what do you want bank reciepts? come on... he is founder...and Chairman... of a company he is pimping...and that he is no doubt making money off of...ignore the $200 Million behind the curtain... ignoring facts is misleading ones self... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:15 PM
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| Originally Posted by MTdream yes, I want to see something other than "loose change" style investigation.
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03-22-2007, 03:18 PM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by MTdream This is amazing stuff. The more we learn the more I go
 Wow.... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by Pro Street
again, ignore the facts.... I posted their publicly disclosed form 990...above...their investments have very little if anything to do with what you read in this puff piece... If you looked at it from an investment portfolio perspective...you would see his major investment is financial sector..i.e. Banks or other financial institutions... as to the puff piece you posted...Gore has accumulated enough cash to essentially have a very high end personal banker...simple fact... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by Pro Street
have you looked at the form 990? wish I had "loose change" of $200+ million... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:22 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by MTdream This is really, really amazing stuff. You need to "share" this with other sources now
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03-22-2007, 03:30 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| if anything here gets outside speculation, someone send me a PM, otherwise enjoy the i-hate-gore circle jerk you got going in about 10 different threads | ||||
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03-22-2007, 03:44 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim ok, here is the investment portfolio broken down by investment type...(not my terms terms the individual company ascribes to themself on their financial filings)
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03-22-2007, 03:46 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
pretty simple facts...ignoring them does not change them.... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 04:04 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by MTdream Their most profitable investments are in TECHNE Corp. What exactly does TECHNE do? They make medical supplies.
TECHNE Corporation (NASDAQ: TECH), incorporated in Minnesota in 1981, is a holding company which has two wholly-owned operating subsidiaries: Research and Diagnostic Systems, Inc. (R&D Systems) located in Minneapolis, Minnesota and R&D Systems Europe Ltd. (RDSE) located in Abingdon, England. R&D Systems is a specialty manufacturer of biological products. It has two operating divisions: Hematology and Biotechnology. The Hematology Division develops and manufactures hematology controls, which are used in hospitals and clinical laboratories to check the accuracy of blood analysis instruments. The Biotechnology Division develops and manufactures biotechnology products including purified proteins (cytokines) and antibodies that are sold exclusively to the research market, and assay kits which are sold to the research and clinical diagnostic markets. Over 97% of TECHNE’s revenues are derived from products manufactured by R&D Systems. R&D Systems has two subsidiaries: Fortron Bioscience, Inc. and BiosPacific, Inc. RDSE sells and distributes R&D Systems' biotechnology products in Europe. RDSE has a German sales subsidiary, R&D Systems GmbH. How is this company offsetting carbon?  Things that make you go hmmmm... Do they use recycled paper? How much money would have to invest in this company to offset some carbon in your life?How are insurance and internet providers offsetting carbon? Also Autodesk makes the AutoCAD software. They're making good money, but they surely aren't offsetting carbon. This company isn't about offsetting carbon it's about turning a profit. We all need to understand that. Why then is making profits more important to Gore than offsetting Carbon? Why then does Gore want us to give us our money to offset our carbon footprint so he can invest it in profit-driven and not carbon solution investments?
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03-22-2007, 04:46 PM
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| Originally Posted by MTdream so what?
all of those companies are pursuing clean air initiatives. all of those companies are doing what the goal of the company was to do- invest in companies making an effort to adapt to limit environmental impacts. | ||||
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03-22-2007, 04:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by Pro Street
 Hmmm Health Care or 24% of fund is doing Clean Air? Banks/financial institutions are doing Clean Air (23% of fund), and the Consumer Goods (Staples and Johnson Controls at 13% of fund) is doing doing clean air? or for a total of 60% of fund or $142 Million, are no where even remotely close to clean air, green anything, or environmental issues in the most remote manner... woudl be VERY hard to argue an investment in GE is anything other than jsut a good investment...($19 Million or 10%) then rounding out the top 80-90% of the total investment is Aflac insurance...yes insurance...which brings us to a total of $174 Million of the $208 Million Health Care (24% of fund or $46 Million) financial instituions ( 23% or $45 Million) Consumer Goods (13% or $26 Million) Consumer goods ($25 Million or 13%) conglomerate (GE) at $19Million or 10% Rounding out the top 80% is Insurance (Aflac) at $13 Million or 7% | ||||
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03-22-2007, 04:58 PM
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| Junkie  Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by MTdream Do you understand the idea of carbon offsets ?
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03-22-2007, 05:09 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diesel66 yep...
His investments "which he claimed he was "buying carbon off-sets" but not true, and the investments arent even in companies who are brokering or dealing in carbon offsets... the top 90% of investments have absolutely nothing to do with, except possibly GE in an anecdotal manner...but any investment in a conglomerate especially GE would be hard pressed to be anything short of a just a good investment... | ||||
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03-22-2007, 05:32 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by MTdream Health care is unaffected by climate, as it isn't manufacturing. solid investment.
financial institutions, solid investment consumer goods... big part. GE.. um, they are doing a SHITLOAD to improve technologies to pollute less. | ||||
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03-22-2007, 05:39 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by MTdream
How about a Tax deductable donation to your own charities? I would put that on a more solid moral footing than this! You could see a benefit. But this is a real zero sum game. I will polute and payoff someone else to polute less. Your own addition cancels their subtraction. Mother Earth says what? 
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03-22-2007, 05:44 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
Did I just read a name calling rules violation about rules violation? I am glad I don't have such an irritaded nerve in my tooth!  | ||||
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03-22-2007, 06:03 PM
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