Gores Carbon Offset Sham Exposed - Page 6

Stylerod · 03-22-2007, 06:07 PM

Looks like we aren't the first with the story:

So far, so good. But how Gore buys his "carbon offsets," as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper's report, Gore's spokesperson said Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said...

Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.

And it is not clear at all that Gore's stock purchases - excuse me, "carbon offsets" purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all, while the gas lanterns and other carbon-based energy burners at his house continue to burn carbon-based fuels and pump carbon emissions - a/k/a/ "greenhouse gases" - into the atmosphere.

BillHobbs.com - "News Offsets" from Nashville.

Lots of other links on google as well. Strange this is the first we have heard of it though.

Diesel66 · 03-22-2007, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

yep...

His investments "which he claimed he was "buying carbon off-sets" but not true, and the investments arent even in companies who are brokering or dealing in carbon offsets...

the top 90% of investments have absolutely nothing to do with, except possibly GE in an anecdotal manner...but any investment in a conglomerate especially GE would be hard pressed to be anything short of a just a good investment...

anecdotal is all that is neccesary. If Staples purchases a bunch of solar panels for their dist center, that can be a carbon offset.

RMNIXON · 03-22-2007, 06:12 PM

I am trying to think of the 80's Eastern Cult Guru leader who drove around in the mercedes? This reminds me of that at the moment. They guy who preached about giving up your material ways, ect......

MTdream · 03-22-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Looks like we aren't the first with the story:

The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe, she said...

BillHobbs.com - "News Offsets" from Nashville.

Lots of other links on google as well. Strange this is the first we have heard of it though.

the key is this reporter does not have the form 990 disclosing actually what they invest in...which is posted on here...but good find...perhaps we should shoot the file to that reporter, as he is on the right track...

last I checked the firms (with the exception of GE only 10$ of fund, yes 10% is roughly $20 Million) which one could hardly pretend to twist this as an investment in "green", but merely an investment..which is a good investment...again...issue is not around investments... it is about deception...or three card monty...

MTdream · 03-22-2007, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

anecdotal is all that is neccesary. If Staples purchases a bunch of solar panels for their dist center, that can be a carbon offset.

ok,

and you think the media would let Cheney or Bush off with that?

Pro Street · 03-22-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

the key is this reporter does not have the form 990 disclosing actually what they invest in...which is posted on here...but good find...perhaps we should shoot the file to that reporter, as he is on the right track...

last I checked the firms (with the exception of GE only 10$ of fund, yes 10% is roughly $20 Million) which one could hardly pretend to twist this as an investment in "green", but merely an investment..which is a good investment...again...issue is not around investments... it is about deception...or three card monty...

deception?

the form is public information. The information you "found" I stumbled upon while googling the corporation which is what I am very sure is the same method you found it with.

Any smart person who is involved in trading or contributing to that fund would know what the money is going into. Anyone can see what the money is going into. Gore has actively promoted the company.

I see people making a mountain out of a molehill, jumping on something that's so minor that it's not really worth a mention.

seriously, you all are like a pack of rabid dogs

MTdream · 03-22-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

deception?

the form is public information. The information you "found" I stumbled upon while googling the corporation which is what I am very sure is the same method you found it with.

Any smart person who is involved in trading or contributing to that fund would know what the money is going into. Anyone can see what the money is going into. Gore has actively promoted the company.

I see people making a mountain out of a molehill, jumping on something that's so minor that it's not really worth a mention.

seriously, you all are like a pack of rabid dogs

and you actually think this would be treated the same if Cheney did this? or Bush?

please...

you would be all over this demanding senate oversight, demanding resignations...demanding disclosure...

you are not even being intellectually honest...

Pro Street · 03-22-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

and you actually think this would be treated the same if Cheney did this? or Bush?

please...

you would be all over this demanding senate oversight, demanding resignations...demanding disclosure...

you are not even being intellectually honest...

Cheney is the current VP, Bush is the current President.

again, Gore is a former VP, he's no longer a public servant.

for me to say you're comparing apples to oranges would be a total and complete understatement.

MTdream · 03-22-2007, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Cheney is the current VP, Bush is the current President.

again, Gore is a former VP, he's no longer a public servant.

for me to say you're comparing apples to oranges would be a total and complete understatement.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

so in office or out of office determines whether you should be honest or not???

where is that but but Clinton thingy again?

I think Clinton proved ethics in teh whitehouse dont matter...your point is specious at best....

Pro Street · 03-22-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!

so in office or out of office determines whether you should be honest or not???

where is that but but Clinton thingy again? I think Clinton proved ethics in teh whitehouse dont matter...your point is specious at best....

what?

honestly, what the hell are you saying?

Why the hell would I want a private citizen to be held to Senate oversight, disclosure, or resignations?

are you now comparing this to the Gonzales scandal? honestly?

omg there are so many reaches and deaperate attempts to latch on to something I'm sad for you. I honestly pity that you're trying to hard.

NO, no sir I do not hold a VP and President to the same standards as a regular citizen. They are public servants and there needs to be oversight and disclosure.

however, Gore served and is no longer a public servant. So no.

oh my god... I respected you quite a bit until this thread.

honestly I'm at a complete loss for words.

/out.

MTdream · 03-22-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

what?

honestly, what the hell are you saying?

Why the hell would I want a private citizen to be held to Senate oversight, disclosure, or resignations?

are you now comparing this to the Gonzales scandal? honestly?

omg there are so many reaches and deaperate attempts to latch on to something I'm sad for you. I honestly pity that you're trying to hard.

NO, no sir I do not hold a VP and President to the same standards as a regular citizen. They are public servants and there needs to be oversight and disclosure.

however, Gore served and is no longer a public servant. So no.

oh my god... I respected you quite a bit until this thread.

honestly I'm at a complete loss for words.

/out.

good diversion...not even remotely close to point I was making...but you are diverting this thread...

FWIW, had no intention of connecting to gonzales...you are the one that made the tie to public office and not...you are the one that said he should not be held to standards of normal ethics...

last I knew deception was deception...simple fact....no other intended meanings...

Diesel66 · 03-22-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

ok,

and you think the media would let Cheney or Bush off with that?

That is one of the major parts of carbon offsetting. And actually does something compared to the idea of "ohh I will plant some trees"

thomez · 03-22-2007, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by MTdream

and you actually think this would be treated the same if Cheney did this? or Bush?

please...

you would be all over this demanding senate oversight, demanding resignations...demanding disclosure...

you are not even being intellectually honest...

didn't basically that very thing actually happen with Cheney and Halliburton