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Roonie · 03-24-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

It's embarrassing. It makes you wonder is this the mentality of the average anti-war protester?

This was a small fringe group according to your sources and not the general anti-war protester. To lump all antiwar protester's into that category would be wrong. Trying to convince yourself otherwise is dishonest. Most folks protesting that day were doing so peacefully and properly.

fact; you get extremists with any group. To classify them as the majority is intellectually dishonest.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

You are right you couldn't go burn a Koran in the middle of that group and get away with it, they also wouldn't get away with burning a soldier doll at a welcome home parade. I don't get why this seems significant to you, they are preaching to their choir.

Oh ok. I can't burn a Koran in front of them ever. But they can burn soldiers when they deem it's acceptable.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

This was a small fringe group according to your sources and not the general anti-war protester. To lump all antiwar protester's into that category would be wrong. Trying to convince yourself otherwise is dishonest. Most folks protesting that day were doing so peacefully and properly.

fact; you get extremists with any group. To classify them as the majority is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not saying the majority are dishonest. I'm questioning their morals. There was no outrage over this. Yet if I were to burn a Koran or expressed anti-Muslim sentiment at their even I bet their would have been. Why? What makes one act less outrageous than the other in their eyes?

Roonie · 03-24-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Oh ok. I can't burn a Koran in front of them ever. But they can burn soldiers when they deem it's acceptable.

You can do that if you want. go for it....... I dare you.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

You can do that if you want. go for it....... I dare you.

Exactly you dare me because the result to myself would likely be very negative in that situation.

But nobody dares these people to burn a soldier and chant death wishes. It just happens and there's basically no opposition. In fact, more people are vocally cheering than people speaking against it.

garbagemanlb · 03-24-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I'm not saying the majority are dishonest. I'm questioning their morals. There was no outrage over this. Yet if I were to burn a Koran or expressed anti-Muslim sentiment at their even I bet their would have been. Why? What makes one act less outrageous than the other in their eyes?

What's to say the leaders of the protest haven't said anything about the burning of the flag and the effigy?

I highly doubt sources such as Drudge or Newsmax would give the time of day to any article concerning such 'patriotic' statements from *gasp* the left!

Roonie · 03-24-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I'm not saying the majority are dishonest. I'm questioning their morals. There was no outrage over this. Yet if I were to burn a Koran or expressed anti-Muslim sentiment at their even I bet their would have been. Why? What makes one act less outrageous than the other in their eyes?

You are talking about extremists here not the average protester. Yes both acts would be considered outrageous!

If you can understand an extremist viewpoint and thinking process........ more power to you.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

What's to say the leaders of the protest haven't said anything about the burning of the flag and the effigy?

I highly doubt sources such as Drudge or Newsmax would give the time of day to any article concerning such 'patriotic' statements from *gasp* the left!

I'm sure there are responsible people who lead this event. You would have to be responsible and mature in order to plan and maintain such an event. I'm not talking about the leaders of the event. I'm talking about the people who watched the burning of this soldier take place while not saying anything, and cheering while they poured lighter fluid on the body.

This has nothing to do with Newsmax or Drudge. This has to do with the events that took place and reaction from the spectators which in all honesty was disgusting. The only defense I can think of is they were likely students and ignorant/immature.

nbiggershaft · 03-24-2007, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Oh ok. I can't burn a Koran in front of them ever. But they can burn soldiers when they deem it's acceptable.

You shouldn't burn a Koran any more than they should burn soldiers.

Roonie · 03-24-2007, 06:24 PM

Do you understand why someone would kill a doctor who gives abortions...... no, well either can I. I am sure if you were in a group of these extreme anti-abortion folks and they started chanting, kill the doc, kill the doc. everyone would be applauding and cheering. Again extremists in this scenario.

I think you are trying to intellectually lump the average anti-war protester together with these extremists to prove that to be against the war you must be anti-american, anti-soldier. This is just not the case.

ballz2wallz · 03-24-2007, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

but you expect not to see the swastika at a neo-nazi rally?

A more proper comparison would be hanging or burning black dolls. And no, you don't see that.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

You are talking about extremists here not the average protester.

I'm willing to bet the average protester there would have Boo'd if I had been putting on an equal anti-Muslim display and crying for their death. Why did the average protester not respond to this? The biggest verbal response that occurred was the cheers from the crowd.

jimeigh · 03-24-2007, 06:28 PM

those people suck.

not only do they suck, but they could hardly even get that fire started in the beginning, those idiots.

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

Do you understand why someone would kill a doctor who gives abortions...... no, well either can I. I am sure if you were in a group of these extreme anti-abortion folks and they started chanting, kill the doc, kill the doc. everyone would be applauding and cheering. Again extremists in this scenario.

I think you are trying to intellectually lump the average anti-war protester together with these extremists to prove that to be against the war you must be anti-american, anti-soldier. This is just not the case.

Your point that the average anti-abortion protester would cheer the death of doctors I think falls short. I think the average anti-abortion protester is older and religious and doesn't call for people's deaths. However, if such a case were to take place I would be doing the same thing I'm doing now, I'd be asking why? And I would say the people involved were crazy.

nbiggershaft · 03-24-2007, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I'm sure there are responsible people who lead this event. You would have to be responsible and mature in order to plan and maintain such an event. I'm not talking about the leaders of the event. I'm talking about the people who watched the burning of this soldier take place while not saying anything, and cheering while they poured lighter fluid on the body.

They are their to participate in an militant anti-war protest. You really expect them to run in there and tackle the guy lighting the dummy on fire? You think if you tried to burn a Koran at a KKK meeting you would get cheers or be stopped?

kinggovernor · 03-24-2007, 06:30 PM

this is not political speech

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

A few people involved cheered, but you expect not to see the swastika at a neo-nazi rally?

Are you attempting to imply that burning the bodies of troops and calling for their deaths is the "symbol" of anti-war rallies? I wouldn't go that far and I'd say you're treading on murky waters with that analogy.

Roonie · 03-24-2007, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I'm willing to bet the average protester there would have Boo'd if I had been putting on an equal anti-Muslim display and crying for their death. Why did the average protester not respond to this? The biggest verbal response that occurred was the cheers from the crowd.

Last response for me. The immediate crowd around was fairly small in size. Again made up of the extremist crowd evident by their black attire and masks (obviously some sort of pre-planned agenda) otherwise why hide. I am sure it is a group of like minded folks who had to have planned this spectacule. It took some planning to have the doll and dress for it as well as lighter fluid etc. for the effigy. I am sure most of the folks in attendance here are cronies of said group, and waiting for the pre-planned show. educated guess.

nbiggershaft · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

A more proper comparison would be hanging or burning black dolls. And no, you don't see that.

K, so if they were burning black dolls, would KKK members boo them or stand their and watch?

JaJae · 03-24-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

They are their to participate in an militant anti-war protest. You really expect them to run in there and tackle the guy lighting the dummy on fire? You think if you tried to burn a Koran at a KKK meeting you would get cheers or be stopped?

You're saying this anti-war protest was militant? Are you equating this peace rally to a KKK meeting? If that's the case I think you agree with me more than I agree with myself.

I guess I'm confused. If the KKK showed up at their rally and started burning Korans how do you think the people would react? Stand there and cheer or Boo and leave? Let's compare apples to apples here. If you were to show up at a KKK rally and say how much you love Israel and blacks do you think you would get cheered? No, because your view doesn't align in some way with the view of the spectators.