west/east coast immigration

imind · 08-09-2006, 11:39 AM

why the disparity in practice between the dryfeet/wetfeet and the dryback/wetback policies?

Phantom · 08-09-2006, 11:45 AM

I believe the wiki article describes the situation fairly well.

The special treatment of Cubans is really a political weapon used to make Cuba look bad. (the press can show how people risk their lives to escape the horrors of Castro Cuba)

In the end, we don't really have any special sympathy for the cubans or any other immigrants, but we will give preferential status to certain immigrants when it furthers our propaganda goals.

Phantom · 08-09-2006, 11:49 AM

I might not have been clear - the wet foot/dry foot policy and preferential treatment applies to Cubans ONLY. It doesn't have anything to do with east or west caost.

All other immigrants (non-Cubans) are treated in the same manner (ordered deported or granted asylum) in accordance with the INA.

ballz2wallz · 08-09-2006, 02:01 PM

political asylum is different than immigration.

Concept · 08-09-2006, 03:41 PM

Cubans are given the special Wetfoot/Dryfoot rule to, in a way, give them the benefit of the doubt, and to screw Castro over.

I few months ago, a few Cubans landed on this OLD bridge which is no longer in use here; the bridge has been disconnected from the Mainland and is not being used right now because of reasons I don't know - I think it's a pretty shitty bridge in my opinion because of where it's located - but anyways, yeah.

A bunch of Cubans landed there, but they were sent back. They landed on a bridge in U.S. water, but apparently, that's not good enough. They had to land on the land to be granted a chance here.

So, I hope you guys enjoyed by local anecdote.

As long as they can reach land, they're ok. If they're caught by the Coast Guard,

bye bye.

And no, this rule does not apply to Haitians, Mexicans, etc..

imind · 08-09-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

political asylum is different than immigration.

under what conditions are they given asylum? seems to be given somewhat arbitrarily, as both peoples only desire is to better themselves, and neither is facing persecution from their govts.

ballz2wallz · 08-09-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by imind

under what conditions are they given asylum? seems to be given somewhat arbitrarily, as both peoples only desire is to better themselves, and neither is facing persecution from their govts.

yeah, castro doesn't persecute his people

IminWonderland · 08-09-2006, 06:03 PM

Cuban, Mexican, WHATEVER, send them back. I don't care how dry their feet are.

imind · 08-09-2006, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

yeah, castro doesn't persecute his people

please elaborate. i am aware that he is more or less stealing all of the country's money but, poverty is not persecution, and the mexicans are dealing with poverty at least to the same extent as the cubans, no?

ballz2wallz · 08-09-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by imind

please elaborate. i am aware that he is more or less stealing all of the country's money but, poverty is not persecution, and the mexicans are dealing with poverty at least to the same extent as the cubans, no?

well let's see...the cubans living in america are jumping for joy at the thought of his death. i wonder why? cause he was a 'decent' guy? he's basically your typical communist dictator.

Some studies report that up to several thousands of political opponents have been killed, primarily during the first decade of Castro's leadership;[92] however exact numbers are not known. Some Cubans labeled "counterrevolutionaries", "fascists", or "CIA operatives" have been imprisoned in extremely poor conditions without trial.[93] Military Units to Aid Production, or UMAP's, were labor camps established in 1965, according to Che Guevara, for “people who have committed crimes against revolutionary morals” as well as Castro's concept of "social deviants," including homosexuals and AIDS victims, in order to work "counter-revolutionary" influences out of certain segments of the population.[94] Professor Marifeli Pérez Stable, a Cuban American who once supported the revolution, reflects on the costs of the Cuban revolution. "[There were] thousands of executions, forty, fifty thousand political prisoners. The treatment of political prisoners, with what we today know about human rights and the international norms governing human rights ... it is legitimate to raise questions about possible crimes against humanity in Cuba."[95]Castro acknowledges that Cuba holds political prisoners, but argues that Cuba is justified because these prisoners are not jailed because of their political beliefs, but have been convicted of "counter-revolutionary" crimes, including bombings.[96]

Fidel Castro portrays opposition to the Cuban government as illegitimate, and the result of an ongoing conspiracy fostered by Cuban exiles with ties to the United States or the CIA. Many Castro supporters say that Castro's measures are justified to prevent the fall of his government, whereas his opposition says he uses the United States as an excuse to justify his continuing political control.

imind · 08-09-2006, 09:06 PM

so he's been benign for the last 30 years? link?

ballz2wallz · 08-09-2006, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by imind

so he's been benign for the last 30 years? link?

wikipedia

imind · 08-09-2006, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

wikipedia

i'm sorry i thought you had something to say.

Concept · 08-10-2006, 12:24 AM

Castro runs the country. End of story.

In a Communist system, the government has the obligation of distributing goods amongst its people. The amount that Castro pours into his country is GROSSLY unproportional to what he's making. He's considered one of the richest men in the world while most Cubans do not have beds, food, humane living conditions, or anything.

One cannot speak out against the government. That is considered high treason. The media is censored up the f'ing a-hole, hence making all Cubans ridiculously blind to the world.

Cuban children are taught that the United States and their European partners in crime are malices to this world. The reason the United States does not want to give up Guantanamo, according to Cuban education (which was taught to my mother, father, and the older generation in my family), is because the U.S. will eventually invade Cuba.

It's ridiculous, but Cubans don't know of anything else to believe in. It's a complete dictatorship in the whole sense of the word. That bastard dictates what everyone is to be later in their lives (example: there was a shortage of teachers, and my mom taught.. but she wanted to be a doctor), the amount of money they gain, and what they have to do.

Those few Cubans who have heard of a better life and barely make it here know how bad Cuba is; when it has so much potential. Cuba was a very prosperous land ages ago because Batista..

Bacardi isn't Puerto Rican.

It's fucked up.

ballz2wallz · 08-10-2006, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by imind

i'm sorry i thought you had something to say.

Ch33k_e_babe · 02-26-2007, 12:47 PM

Personally i feel for all immigrants...but at the same time i can hardly afford living and i dont feel llike having all my money going to supporting immigrants. But why im really here is that i have a debate for scholl on the wetfoot/drtfoot policy and my position is PRO to this policy applying to all immigrants...well, all i can think of is that well if its good enough for the Cubans(im part cuban lol) then why not the rest of them?! LoL but i dont think that will cut it for a rebuttle. Can any of you help me? You all seem to know your stuff on this subject.

Phantom · 02-26-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ch33k_e_babe

Personally i feel for all immigrants...but at the same time i can hardly afford living and i dont feel llike having all my money going to supporting immigrants. But why im really here is that i have a debate for scholl on the wetfoot/drtfoot policy and my position is PRO to this policy applying to all immigrants...well, all i can think of is that well if its good enough for the Cubans(im part cuban lol) then why not the rest of them?! LoL but i dont think that will cut it for a rebuttle. Can any of you help me? You all seem to know your stuff on this subject.

The policy rewards people for taking unnecessary risks in order to put on a show that makes the US look superior to Cuba.

The policy is damn hard for anyone to defend, and the US has been slapped around all over the world because of this policy for good reason.

Why exactly would you want to be in favor of this policy?

Scrum · 02-26-2007, 03:15 PM

however exact numbers are not known. Some Cubans labeled "counterrevolutionaries", "fascists", or "CIA operatives" have been imprisoned in extremely poor conditions without trial.[

This was pretty funny.

Cubans should get asylum because people are not given a fair trial.

Sounds like no one gets a fair trial in cuban soil.
I guess we should give the Gitmo prisoners asylum since they don't recieve a fair trial either.

thomez · 02-26-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Concept

He's considered one of the richest men in the world while most Cubans do not have beds, food, humane living conditions, or anything.

Their life expectancy ranks them 36th in the world, their infant mortality rate is lower than that in the United States, I have a hard time believing that most Cubans do not have beds, food, or humane living conditions.

Poverty exists everywhere but people aren't starving to death in Cuba or living in filth like many other places in the world. Sounds like you have heard a lot from the Anti-Castro Cuban-American lobby here in the US which bashes the country non-stop. Not defending Cuba, but get real here kid, this is nothing like the Congo.