This is the reason Ron Paul > *

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Everyone accepts handouts from the government everyday if you can call medicare a handout. What government program wouldn't parallel this?

I don't feel like I'm taking a handout when I take the interstate instead of the turnpike

I guess I'm just a leech off society with my interstate using ways

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

ask him
E-Communications with Rep. Paul

about something he used to do, which has nothing to do with a campaign? nah.

I figured since you all think it's so great, what does he use to base his decision on payment on?

does he ask to see a family's financial information? That seems a bit anti-Ron Paul

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Some of us don't like straight up handouts, infact some find them insulting

So just to make sure we're on the same page here, it's insulting for one person to offer a handout, but it's not insulting if a large group of citizens are offering it?


Wow...

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

So just to make sure we're on the same page here, it's insulting for one person to offer a handout, but it's not insulting if a large group of citizens are offering it?


Wow...

Ignores context.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

Ignores context.

?

Patient cant afford services and gets a handout. Either he goes to the govt or he goes to his doctor.

Dont know about you, but I rather make that kind of deal in private then public.

[Thorgrim]

If some want to make the statement that all handouts are good and non-insulting or all handouts are bad, then fine

However, the rest of us will believe that when people start pitying you and giving you money, it's different than taking the interstate

[Dumpy Dooby]

What's the difference between taking a handout from a single person or taking a handout from a large group of people, some of whom are grudgingly affording that handout?

You got it wrong, good sir, I do think that some handouts are bad while others are good. Quite frankly, I would much rather take a handout from an individual that is doing it willingly, rather than from a group of people that are being coerced into doing it under the guise of "entitlement."

[DosEquis]

For those calling it a "straight up hand out" i will have to differ with you in most cases. Get upset when illegal immigrants get to use medicaid. Do not get upset in a blanket type fashion and apply it to everyone. A lot of people worked their entire lives paying taxes into the system.

My granpda has his first job at the age of 15. Joined the navy reserves and worked until he was 68 years old. Paid taxes and the whole bit. He will get some prescription and basic visits covered by medicaid and I would hardly call it a hand out in his case. I dont consider any of my tax money being a "straight up handout" to people like him.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

What's the difference between taking a handout from a single person or taking a handout from a large group of people, some of whom are grudgingly affording that handout?

You got it wrong, good sir, I do think that some handouts are bad while others are good. Quite frankly, I would much rather take a handout from an individual that is doing it willingly, rather than from a group of people that are being coerced into doing it under the guise of "entitlement."

That is a Libertarian philosophy, which doesn't apply to most people. Again, we are ignoring the context of this being the average joe or jane on medicare and making generalizations about you feel about 'handouts'.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

That is a Libertarian philosophy, which doesn't apply to most people. Again, we are ignoring the context of this being the average joe or jane on medicare and making generalizations about you feel about 'handouts'.

Nothing in my post was untrue or dependent on libertarian philosophy. If you think otherwise, feel free to point out the flaw.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Nothing in my post was untrue or dependent on libertarian philosophy. If you think otherwise, feel free to point out the flaw.

This whole conversation relates to the whether this essentially makes the recipient feel like an asshole. If you wanna say "fuck those people, who cares?" then thats fine. But you guys are applying Libertarian philosophy which puts government programs on the same level as personal charity. Whether this is true is completely independent of the feelings of the average person on medicare/medicaid.

I've said before that I think his heart is in the right place and if his first response to medicare is, "well I'll just do it for free" then that is awesome. But do you guys really not think that if his response is something like, " We can just work out cash payments or I can waive most or all of the bill", puts someone(not a libertarian) who was counting on their medical service being paid for in a shitty situation morally?

[Dumpy Dooby]

Medicaid and Medicare both have lists of doctors that will accept them. Why would someone see a doctor that is not on that list?


This is such a retarded nitpicking insult that, quite frankly, is rather shocking to be coming from a group of people that pride themselves in being altruistic.