Student Suspended For Religious Beliefs - Page 5

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

So where do you draw the line? Who gets to decide what religions are protected and which aren't? Which are valid, and which aren't?

It's easy to come up with equally (imo) absurd situations, but there's a fundamental question here which hasn't really been discussed.. where is the line, and who decides?

If I decide I want to follow the path of the Jedi and it requires me to wear a robe and a fake lightsaber from ThinkGeek, is that any more or less valid than the Spaghetti Monster thing? If so, why?

distraction... no soup for you

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

um... engines indoors=carbon monoxide poisoning=dead people

I didn't say he'd run it in the room. And the new one won't even had fuel, oil, or a battery in it.

Next?

Scrum · 03-30-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

public urination isn't illegal in every state.

What state allows it?

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Ahhh, yet again you have to compare a pirate outfit to something illegal like public urination.

Is it illegal for a kid to pee in his pants? <no>

Then why is it illegal for him to cover himself from the waist down and pee into a cup? ESPECIALLY when it's for his religion!!

Scrum · 03-30-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I didn't say he'd run it in the room. And the new one won't even had fuel, oil, or a battery in it.

Next?

It would destroy property.

Next?

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

so was he doing some pirate song and dance, or did the teacher make it the disruption? i think the answer is obvious

I agree it's obvious......... the kid made it an issue and the vice principal dealt with it.

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

I agree it's obvious......... the kid made it an issue and the vice principal dealt with it.

oh you got the inside scoop? link?

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

It's easy to come up with equally (imo) absurd situations, but there's a fundamental question here which hasn't really been discussed.. where is the line, and who decides?

FINALLY!!

This was my point on page 1.

We can't know because we weren't there, but IMO (there it is again

) the kid made sure it was an issue. As a teacher I wouldn't have cared if he had an eye patch (unless he'd been told previously not to, which according to the story he HAD been told not to which brings in another point, but anyway...).

I wouldn't have cared if he had an eye patch or full indian headdress as long as i was teaching and kids were learning. You can wear a cross if you want but don't drag a 10' reproduction of christ's crucifixion. Wear a turban but you can't bring a kirpan (even if it's permanently locked/sealed in the sheath). When you step over the line and make <whatever it is> the center of attention then you can take that center of attention and leave.

Same with this kid... he didn't want to wear an eye patch he wanted to make a statement. Fuck him and his statement. Nobody would have given a shit if he wore a patch (again, unless he'd done it before to a make a statement and gotten in trouble, which he had). People gave a shit because he demanded attention for it and disrupted the teaching environment.

So, fuck him, and adios.

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 01:54 PM

i have an opinion of what happened too

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

It would destroy property.

Next?

how does this destroy property?

roll it in, put it on the stand (it's more stable than a school-issued chair), done.

next?

JaJae · 03-30-2007, 01:56 PM

Children don't have all their rights in schools. It's been precedented that schools can limit speech, etc. I wouldn't be able to go to school with a "Fuck Jesus" tee-shirt. And he isn't able to come to school wearing a Halloween costume praying to a Lasagna God that was made up as a joke.

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

oh you got the inside scoop? link?

Killian’s mother, Vanessa, agreed with the school’s decision despite sympathizing with her son.

“I think Bryan should be able to voice his opinion,” she said, “but he kind of got carried away.”

CITIZEN-TIMES.com: School: Pirates are not welcome

Nobody knows better than mom.

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

Killian’s mother, Vanessa, agreed with the school’s decision despite sympathizing with her son.

“I think Bryan should be able to voice his opinion,” she said, “but he kind of got carried away.”

CITIZEN-TIMES.com: School: Pirates are not welcome

Nobody knows better than mom.

how on earth is that proof that he "disrupted" the class?

7960 · 03-30-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Children don't have all their rights in schools. It's been precedented that schools can limit speech, etc. I wouldn't be able to go to school with a "Fuck Jesus" tee-shirt. And he isn't able to come to school wearing a Halloween costume praying to a Lasagna God that was made up as a joke.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

7960 · 03-30-2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

how on earth is that proof that he "disrupted" the class?

you weren't there
I wasn't there
all we have is his statement which is at best *slightly* biased
and his mom's.......... which says he went too far.

of those 4 whose should be believed?

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

you weren't there
I wasn't there
all we have is his statement which is at best *slightly* biased
and his mom's.......... which says he went too far.

of those 4 whose should be believed?

she wasn't there either...

i'd like to see what his fellow students say

i'd like to hear the teacher say how exactly he was a distraction to the class

JaJae · 03-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

I dunno dude. Essentially it's the same thing as this kid dressing up as the guy from the Trojan Condom commercials and claiming to pray to the Condom Gods of the planet Urethra. And the school told him to not do it and as it would be disruptive. He did it anyway, his mother said he went to far and the school told him to take some time to himself to think over his priorities and what he's attending school for.

The school did the right thing. The kid is an idiot and should not be allowed to disrupt everyone else's education with his childish and immature pranks.

7960 · 03-30-2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

she wasn't there either...

but she knows if he wore it because he really believes in the flying spaghetti monster or if he wore it to be an asshole........... and apparently she's agreeing her son is an asshole.

i'd like to see what his fellow students say

you'll never hear an unbiased version of this

i'd like to hear the teacher say how exactly he was a distraction to the class

same answer as above.

SoFlaJDM · 03-30-2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

but she knows if he wore it because he really believes in the flying spaghetti monster

oh she does? link?

do you ever post facts, or is it all speculation?

JaJae · 03-30-2007, 02:08 PM

People who say he wasn't being disruptive need to really sit back and think about what it was like when they attended high school. If this happened at your school at the age of 14-17 how do you think your peers would have responded. He was being a disruption, his parents aren't really standing up for him they admit he took it too far. He got his punishment that was rightfully deserved.