I hate drugs

[Dumpy Dooby]

Don't get me wrong, I agree that drugs are pretty shitty.

Personally, I don't have a problem with pot. It's practically harmless (a Hell of a lot less harmless than alcohol) and it's less addicting than tobacco. It's extremely calming, and there's really no reason for it to be illegal. In fact, the only reasons that people can give for it being illegal are reasons that are caused by it being illegal. It's the same stupid shit that you would have heard during the Prohibition of Alcohol days.


That said, I have some experience with drug addicts. My dad actually just went back to prison a few months ago for doing drugs. The poor schmuck lives (well, lived, obviously) in the projects of south LA, and couldn't hold a job. When he went to prison a few years ago, he said that he was sorry for not being around to raise me. I told him, "I learned from your mistakes. I know I sure as shit don't want to end up like you." I stick by that statement, regardless of my position regarding the legalization of all drugs.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

If they're happy and content, then wtf does it matter to you?

Because they all had big dreams as kids and the potential to do big things, yet they've forgot about all of that. Smoked it all away. I just don't see that lifestyle leading any of them to long term happiness.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by thomez

Because they all had big dreams as kids and the potential to do big things, yet they've forgot about all of that. Smoked it all away. I just don't see that lifestyle leading any of them to long term happiness.

yup. happened to a couple of friends of mine in college. started smoking. lost any ambition they had and ended up dropping out or failing out.

not that that's the case every time, but if you don't have the personality to handle it, you shouldn't do it.

[curlyque221]

Originally Posted by motivez

Why shouldn't people be allowed to make the choice for themselves though?

I am all for people making their own decisions. That doesn't change the fact that I don't agree with substances that have a negative impact on individual's lives. I mean, are the consequences really worth it?

Is serving a criminal sentence worth being happy on an illegal high? What about the children which are produced under such circumstances? I know people who have been kicked out of school, who have gotten pregnant, who have serious medical problems now. There are so many things in life which can affect you negatively as it is, why add to the mix?

[curlyque221]

Originally Posted by thomez

Because they all had big dreams as kids and the potential to do big things, yet they've forgot about all of that. Smoked it all away. I just don't see that lifestyle leading any of them to long term happiness.

I am truly sorry for your friends. I hope they get a second chance...

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

that's 1 for every how many alcohol cases?

The specific post I was responding to said it *never* happened.
Please read my post again (I'll even copy it for you and add emphasis just in case you missed it the first time)

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3
There was a mother who was convicted of driving under the influence of marijuana. She ran a stop sign, crashed her minivan and her 6 year old son (who was not buckled in) was killed. It was definetly drug related, she was charged and convicted of such.

I hate all drugs as well, alcohol, pot, cigarettes etc.

[DosEquis]

I can say that i have tried your basic alcohol, cigarettes, and a couple other 'controlled' substances.

I have probably smoked 4 packs of cigarettes my entire life, but i have never been addicted to them.

Alcohol, sometimes i just "feel" like having a beer. I dont know if you could consider that a mild addiction or what. Either way i usually only drink like once a week to the point where I am considered drunk. I might have a beer or bourbon after work now and then.

The other substances i might try out once every 6-9 months or so. It is always around some of my best friends, and those who i have known for years. Always careful about it and never really buy the stuff. I think i bought a sack of weed once and only used like 1/2 of it and gave the rest to my dad.

My employer does not subject me to random drug tests or anything like that. I also avoid driving under the influence of anything, whether its strong cough medicine, booze, or otherwise.

Bill Maher is on to something when it comes to drugs

YouTube Video

[thomez]

I've never even smoked a cig

I did smoke one of those hookah things once just to try it out, but really don't care if I ever do it again or not...

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by thomez

I've never even smoked a cig

I did smoke one of those hookah things once just to try it out, but really don't care if I ever do it again or not...

If you never have it will give you quite the buzz for your first one. It is a different kind of buzz though. I wouldn't really call it high, and its definitely not drunk. That being said smoking cigarettes never really fascinated me or caught on with me. I actually find them quite gross in cases like my grandpa. He has to paint his ceilings because they turn from white to a yellow/brown. If he comes over the place smells like cigarettes for a week.

Weed on the other hand, the smell is gone in about an hour. It actually does something for you (high). I am not going to call it healthy, but weed has far less chemicals. It does have more tar, but that is only because it is unfiltered. Either way 1 bowl is going to be significantly better than the 2-3 packs a day grandpa smokes.

[MTdream]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

alcohol is more of a drug than pot

i can't really recall a pot related death, fight, or even a pot related domestic abuse case

keep telling yourself that...


it is a poor attempt at a political agenda, unfortunately not based in reality...but then again, when the topic is brought up, all you have to do is ask three questions and those promoting it, have to make a run for 7-11 for a munchy run....

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by MTdream

keep telling yourself that...


it is a poor attempt at a political agenda, unfortunately not based in reality...but then again, when the topic is brought up, all you have to do is ask three questions and those promoting it, have to make a run for 7-11 for a munchy run....

Anyone who thinks that alcohol is less harmful than pot is severely mistaken. Pot is not legal because of a few reasons, one of which is that it would be extremely hard to tax because people can just grow their own.

Q. How Does It Affect Your Health?
A. No drug is always safe for everybody, but after 150 years of scientific study, the only proven health problem from cannabis is that its smoke can be linked to bronchitis. The smoke contains potential carcinogens, but there are no proven cancers. The risk can be reduced by taking smaller inhalations and exhaling in a few seconds, by using a "vaporizer" to release THC without burning, or by eating it.

Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From a Cannabis Overdose?
A. No; not even once. It is difficult to gauge the eaten dose, which can lead to unpleasant, but non-lethal effects. Judge Francis Young studied the evidence, and ruled in 1988 that "marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume." This comparison chart shows the number of deaths from selected substances in a typical year.*

Tobacco 340,000 to 425,000
Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents) 150,000 +
Legal Drug Overdose (prescription) 14,000 to 27,000
Illegal Drug Overdose 3,800-5,200
Aspirin 180 to 1000+
Marijuana 0

Q. Does Cannabis Lead to Hard Drugs?
A. No, it does not. According to the 1999 IOM report, "There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the use of other illicit drugs."

Q. Does It Cause Violence?
A. No; if anything, it reduces it. The only crime most cannabis users commit is obtaining and using marijuana. The US Shafer Commission report, one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on drugs, reported that cannabis smokers "tend to be under-represented" in violent crime, "especially when compared to users of alcohol, amphetamines and barbiturates." The California Attorney General's panel wrote in 1989 that "objective consideration shows that cannabis is responsible for less damage to the individual and society than alcohol and cigarettes."

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Anyone who thinks that alcohol is less harmful than pot is severely mistaken. Pot is not legal because of a few reasons, one of which is that it would be extremely hard to tax because people can just grow their own.

Like any plant/veggie?

Q. How Does It Affect Your Health?
A. No drug is always safe for everybody, but after 150 years of scientific study, the only proven health problem from cannabis is that its smoke can be linked to bronchitis. The smoke contains potential carcinogens, but there are no proven cancers. The risk can be reduced by taking smaller inhalations and exhaling in a few seconds, by using a "vaporizer" to release THC without burning, or by eating it.

This is like saying there are no provable cancers linked to cigarettes or there are "potential carcinogens" in cigarettes. Propaganda.

Q. Has Anyone Ever Died From a Cannabis Overdose?
A. No; not even once. It is difficult to gauge the eaten dose, which can lead to unpleasant, but non-lethal effects. Judge Francis Young studied the evidence, and ruled in 1988 that "marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume." This comparison chart shows the number of deaths from selected substances in a typical year.*

Has anyone ever died from a cigarette overdose? The LD50 of marijuana is very high, but that doesn't mean it isn't bad for you.

Tobacco 340,000 to 425,000
Alcohol (excluding crime/accidents) 150,000 +
Legal Drug Overdose (prescription) 14,000 to 27,000
Illegal Drug Overdose 3,800-5,200
Aspirin 180 to 1000+
Marijuana 0

This is the crap that gets me every time. Tobacco killed all those people but marijuana kills no one? Propaganda. Marijuana is also bad for you, people just don't take it in such large doses (packs a day).

Q. Does Cannabis Lead to Hard Drugs?
A. No, it does not. According to the 1999 IOM report, "There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the use of other illicit drugs."

Tell that to people in prison for cocaine. In most cases people don't move up to harder drugs. That is true. But, often they want to experience the next level.

Q. Does It Cause Violence?
A. No; if anything, it reduces it. The only crime most cannabis users commit is obtaining and using marijuana. The US Shafer Commission report, one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on drugs, reported that cannabis smokers "tend to be under-represented" in violent crime, "especially when compared to users of alcohol, amphetamines and barbiturates." The California Attorney General's panel wrote in 1989 that "objective consideration shows that cannabis is responsible for less damage to the individual and society than alcohol and cigarettes."

Violent crime and marijuana is more of a class issue. The average marijuana user is from all economic/ethnic backgrounds. But THC is a psychoaddictive drug and it is involved in organized crime (gang) as well as robbery/thefts.

I'm not saying marijuana is very bad for you. But it isn't better for you than aspirin as a lot of these propaganda sites would like you believe.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Like any plant/veggie?

Right, and I dont see many places with a sales tax on food.

Has anyone ever died from a cigarette overdose? The LD50 of marijuana is very high, but that doesn't mean it isn't bad for you.

This is the crap that gets me every time. Tobacco killed all those people but marijuana kills no one? Propaganda. Marijuana is also bad for you, people just don't take it in such large doses (packs a day).

I never said marijuana was not bad for you, or that it was good for you. Nobody has ever OD on marijuana, period. Also, since you can't use it like you can cigarettes, and doesn't have near the chemicals that cigarettes have, it is not going to cause all of those extra cancers or other medical issues associated with cigarettes.

Tell that to people in prison for cocaine. In most cases people don't move up to harder drugs. That is true. But, often they want to experience the next level.

Cocaine is a 100% different feeling. Those who use weed are not likely to move on to coke. If anything they would go to prescription pain killers or herion.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Right, and I dont see many places with a sales tax on food.

Right, and we don't ban it because we can't/don't tax it. Marijuana is banned for the same reasons alcohol was banned..