Lawl, Ahmadinejad pardons British Soldiers

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

you guys need to take a look at a map... iraq would be landlocked if it weren't for about 20 miles of beach

Great argument! Will read again!

[7960]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

what part of it was illegal, or a kidnapping?

i'd like to see proof, not a hunch for a change

lying about the original coordinates is enough......the original coordinates were in iraqi waters, then all the sudden the new ones were in iranian waters. Yeah, right.

And since the iranians has to cross one mile into iraqi waters I'd say that was illegal. And since they captured soldiers who were not in their waters i'd say that was kidnapping.

You can keep defending them all you want but it's not going to change the facts.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Great argument! Will read again!

i'm still scanning the thread for yours... all i see is: they were in iraqi water!!!!

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by 7960

lying about the original coordinates is enough......the original coordinates were in iraqi waters, then all the sudden the new ones were in iranian waters. Yeah, right.

And since the iranians has to cross one mile into iraqi waters I'd say that was illegal. And since they captured soldiers who were not in their waters i'd say that was kidnapping.

You can keep defending them all you want but it's not going to change the facts.

i'd just like a source to what you're saying... is that too much to ask for?

[7960]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

you guys need to take a look at a map... iraq would be landlocked if it weren't for about 20 miles of beach

iraq and iran agreed to a boundary for their waters in 1975.

the uk soldiers were on the iraqi side in IRAN'S first reported coordinates.

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by 7960

iraq and iran agreed to a boundary for their waters in 1975.

the uk soldiers were on the iraqi side in IRAN'S first reported coordinates.

great... proof?

[motivez]

Glad this has been defused.

I think the UK article that this was retaliation for US kidnapping of Iranian diplomats in Iraq is probably more accurate than anything having to do with oil prices or their economy.

I believe we have released several of their diplomats that we kidnapped in the last few days, so I was sort of expecting this result.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

i'm still scanning the thread for yours... all i see is: they were in iraqi water!!!!

[SoFlaJDM]

Originally Posted by motivez

I believe we have released several of their diplomats that we kidnapped in the last few days, so I was sort of expecting this result.

but i thought all we did was threaten them to turn them into glass?!?

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by Scrum

So then it makes it pretty likely they were in Iranian waters.


We have ships all over the gulf. You mean to tell me they were able to capture the soldiers and there was nobody around to help them in international waters?


But of course this is Iran and they are always wrong about everything since they are evil. We should hurry up and invade before more of their citizens start embracing our culture. We wouldn't want anyone in the ME liking us. Makes it much more difficult to pat ourselves on that back after dropping tons of ordinance on their heads.

Well I think thats a good point and definately can not be ignored but since neither side has released anything official stating the position of the ship/soldiers it is very tough to say.

I think it is quite likely they temporarily crossed into Iranian waters and Iran in normal fashion for them decided to make something of it.

[ballz2wallz]

Oh how cute, the release is a 'Easter gift' from Iran to Britain:

TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced that his government would release the detained 15 British sailors and marines Wednesday as an Easter gift to the British people.

[7960]

Originally Posted by SoFlaJDM

i'd just like a source to what you're saying... is that too much to ask for?

On Thursday the 29th of March 2007, during a session of the UN Security Council, Jones Parry, the British ambassador to the UN said; "Iran has modified the parameters of the area where they captured fifteen British sailors in the Gulf (at the mouth of Chatt al-Arab) in order to be able to claim that they were in Iranian waters even though they were in Iraqi waters." Parry said to the press, "

When we published the GPS coordinates of the place where the two boats were located, the coordinates provided by Iran were different but nonetheless corresponded to Iraqi waters." Then he added, "

It was only when we emphasized that the detention (of the sailors) was inappropriate and in our eyes illegal, that these coordinates were changed by the Iranian government and became coordinates corresponding to Iranian waters."

Guysen.com - Pesach 2007: 15 Brits held by Iranians

Now tell me the site must be biased because it's israeli

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by motivez

Glad this has been defused.

I think the UK article that this was retaliation for US kidnapping of Iranian diplomats in Iraq is probably more accurate than anything having to do with oil prices or their economy.

I believe we have released several of their diplomats that we kidnapped in the last few days, so I was sort of expecting this result.

Based on Iran's struggles as of late I find it highly likely they've been wanting to do something for awhile to boost oil prices. They've been very outspoken that prices were too low and they were very outspoken about wanting to raise the price of crude. All the economic data shows them struggling especially when oil is below 60/bbl. When it gets into the low 50's Iran is really in a bind, so they drum up a reason to capture a few soldiers and send the western world into a tizzy.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by 7960

On Thursday the 29th of March 2007, during a session of the UN Security Council, Jones Parry, the British ambassador to the UN said; "Iran has modified the parameters of the area where they captured fifteen British sailors in the Gulf (at the mouth of Chatt al-Arab) in order to be able to claim that they were in Iranian waters even though they were in Iraqi waters." Parry said to the press, "

When we published the GPS coordinates of the place where the two boats were located, the coordinates provided by Iran were different but nonetheless corresponded to Iraqi waters." Then he added, "

It was only when we emphasized that the detention (of the sailors) was inappropriate and in our eyes illegal, that these coordinates were changed by the Iranian government and became coordinates corresponding to Iranian waters."

Guysen.com - Pesach 2007: 15 Brits held by Iranians

Now tell me the site must be biased because it's israeli

I thought I had remembered reading something about that in the journal a few days back, glad to see I remembered correctly.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I think it is quite likely they temporarily crossed into Iranian waters and Iran in normal fashion for them decided to make something of it.

If the Iranians ever came close to our territorial waters, we would be all over them.


They have a right to their sovereignty as much as anyone. We have forces all around their country and a wannabe cowboy giving orders. You can't blame them for acting like this.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

If the Iranians ever came close to our territorial waters, we would be all over them.

yes, but

They have a right to their sovereignty as much as anyone. We have forces all around their country and a wannabe cowboy giving orders. You can't blame them for acting like this.

if they came a mile from our international water boundary and we boarded their boat and took their soldiers for 2 weeks we wouldn't be right for doing it.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by Scrum

If the Iranians ever came close to our territorial waters, we would be all over them.


They have a right to their sovereignty as much as anyone. We have forces all around their country and a wannabe cowboy giving orders. You can't blame them for acting like this.

See 7960's post above.

[SoFlaJDM]

and if i post something from the iranian side saying the opposite, it's wrong,


amirite?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Based on Iran's struggles as of late I find it highly likely they've been wanting to do something for awhile to boost oil prices. They've been very outspoken that prices were too low and they were very outspoken about wanting to raise the price of crude. All the economic data shows them struggling especially when oil is below 60/bbl. When it gets into the low 50's Iran is really in a bind, so they drum up a reason to capture a few soldiers and send the western world into a tizzy.

I think the fact that we kidnap Iranian diplomats visiting Iraq, Iran kidnaps UK soldiers, we release Iranian diplomats, they release UK soldiers is much more plausible and backed up by the facts.

If it was about oil though, it wouldn't be the first time a nation has taken hostile actions to protect oil interests, it's something we've been doing in the Middle East for the last 50 years.