Democracy is the problem in Lebanon

SpicyMcVoodoo · 07-21-2006, 12:20 AM

I just saw the Lebanese PM talk about how they're an important democracy in the middle east and now Israel is destroying their government.

Well, what is the significance of Lebanon's democracy? As far as I can see, there are a shitload of people in Lebanon who support hezbollah, which is why hezbollah has seats in their parlament. In other words, democracy is the reason why the government of Lebanon has been infiltrated by terrorists. Now because the democracy has allowed terrorists to grab a part of the government, a terrorist attack means having to retaliate against the country of Lebanon, not just those terrorists who did it.

What does this say for the rest of the middle east? Practically speaking, if they were all democracies, wouldn't that just lead to a bunch of democratically elected terrorists? And then what would that mean for how we respond to terrorism? Wouldn't we then have to attack the democratically elected governments? And then once those governments are toppled, certainly we couldn't install democracies...we'd have to install a pro US dictator.

Well, hell, if installing a pro US dictator is the end result of all this, why don't we just skip to it?

Kytro · 07-21-2006, 12:44 AM

In other words....democracy only counbts if the west agress with the parties elected

SpicyMcVoodoo · 07-21-2006, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

In other words....democracy only counbts if the west agress with the parties elected

It's not so much that it doesn't count. It's that if the west disagrees with the parties elected, they'll most likely be terrorists, and if they're terrorists, they'll commit terror, and when the commit terror, the US will have no choice but to topple the democratically elected terror government...then what?

Kytro · 07-21-2006, 12:53 AM

Whereas the west has never supported terrorism agaisnt people over deomcratically elected governmetns they disagree with

DosEquis · 07-21-2006, 02:05 AM

If you guys are up late enough and didnt watch it... Hardball with Chris Matthews was great tonight in regards to lebanon, iraq, iran, and the middle east in general. Pat Buchanan, Bob Schrum, and a couple others had great input.

kinggovernor · 07-21-2006, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

In other words....democracy only counbts if the west agress with the parties elected

we are still supporting the democracy in lebanon

Scrum · 07-21-2006, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

we are still supporting the democracy in lebanon

From a distance, but yes.

Up until now Lebanon had been one of our few success stories in the Middle East. Now they country is being bombed and we may lose some of the work we have done.

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

In other words....democracy only counbts if the west agress with the parties elected

Bingo. Hamas and Hezbollah won legally. They were pressed for decades to participate in a Democratic system. Then they win and it's like nothing has changed. If I were in one of those groups, I would be asking myself "what the fuck do I have to do?" And before the smartassed "stop bombing people" comments come up....please realize that not every member of the Hamas or Hezbollah parties are terrorists and bomb shit.

avsp · 07-21-2006, 09:55 AM

Isreali has called up its reservists & intensified the 'civilians get out' leaflet drops in southern Lebanon

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

In other words....democracy only counbts if the west agress with the parties elected

No, I think it's more like:

Democracy only exists where the majority of the population that votes is at least moderately educated and at least moderately informed. The middle east is 0 for 2. You could also add "not motivated by hatred spawned from clerics mis-interpreting the Khoran to the illiterate masses" to that first sentence. Either way, the only people I trust with a Democracy in the Middle East are the Isrealis and the Kurds.

Scrum · 07-21-2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

No, I think it's more like:

Democracy only exists where the majority of the population that votes is at least moderately educated and at least moderately informed. The middle east is 0 for 2. You could also add "not motivated by hatred spawned from clerics mis-interpreting the Khoran to the illiterate masses" to that first sentence. Either way, the only people I trust with a Democracy in the Middle East are the Isrealis and the Kurds.

And what do you know, those people just happen to not be muslim. What a coincidence!

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

And what do you know, those people just happen to not be muslim. What a coincidence!

They also happen to be governing thriving territories dedicated to economic growth and their primary military ambitions are to ensure their defence, not to annihilate their enemies.

What a coincidence!

WickedLou9 · 07-21-2006, 11:06 AM

I don't think democracy is the problem.. it's a problem with people and public opinion and lack of education.

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

No, I think it's more like:

Democracy only exists where the majority of the population that votes is at least moderately educated and at least moderately informed. The middle east is 0 for 2. You could also add "not motivated by hatred spawned from clerics mis-interpreting the Khoran to the illiterate masses" to that first sentence. Either way, the only people I trust with a Democracy in the Middle East are the Isrealis and the Kurds.

The Kurds? The same ones letting terrorists attack Turkey?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...key-kurds.html

You were whining about people being anti-semite in the other thread...but it it plain and clear you have no room to talk if you CLEARLY hate muslims.

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

The Kurds? The same ones letting terrorists attack Turkey?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...key-kurds.html

You were whining about people being anti-semite in the other thread...but it it plain and clear you have no room to talk if you CLEARLY hate muslims.

The kurdish militants are an extreme minority, and not operating under the jurisdiction or approval of the Kurdish government.

Thorgrim · 07-21-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

The kurdish militants are an extreme minority, and not operating under the jurisdiction or approval of the Kurdish government.

Then why don't they crack down on their own terrorists?

They must have US syndrome where we ignore terrorists like McVeigh until its too late

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

The kurdish militants are an extreme minority, and not operating under the jurisdiction or approval of the Kurdish government.

Regardless...they aren't controlling them so they are at fault. Just like Palestine and Lebanon...oh and Pakistan too. INVADE!

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Then why don't they crack down on their own terrorists?

They must have US syndrome where we ignore terrorists like McVeigh until its too late

If you're going to broad brush the Kurds based on an extreme minority, I guess I can call you a racist skin head.

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

If you're going to broad brush the Kurds based on an extreme minority, I guess I can call you a racist skin head.

Wait a second....you can paint the Lebanese and the Palestinians the same way? ON TOP OF THAT, you can paint the UN as anti-semetic? Please go here: http://forums.offtopic.com/forumdisplay.php?f=140 and stay.

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Wait a second....you can paint the Lebanese and the Palestinians the same way? ON TOP OF THAT, you can paint the UN as anti-semetic? Please go here: http://forums.offtopic.com/forumdisplay.php?f=140 and stay.

Says the guy that accuses Isreal of being "bad guys" for targeting Palistinian and Lebanese infrastructure when those groups have focused on killing Isreali civilians for decades.