O'Reilly goes nuts...vid to see insanity and hackery at its finest

Thorgrim · 04-06-2007, 01:24 AM

YouTube Video

Can you believe that, hundreds of people in that area were killed by Drunk Drivers and oReally makes it about illegal aliens coming over here to supposedly get drunk and kill americans, but it's a house of cards because illegal aliens have a lower arrest rate, especially on drunk driving, than legal american citizens, as Rivera points out

oreally can't handle it and flips out

I don't like Rivera, but he's dead on target, oreally is just trying to rally up a mob to go door to door to lynch anyone hispanic who comes over the border to work and improve our GDP

It's about a small town dealing with the stupidity of drunk driving, and orealy has to make his cheap political points for ratings

JaJae · 04-06-2007, 01:29 AM

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JaJae · 04-06-2007, 01:33 AM

I think they both have good arguments. I think the foaming at the mouth was a bit much, but entertaining.

Ardentfrost · 04-06-2007, 02:50 AM

404: orly's "good point" not found.

JaJae · 04-06-2007, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

404: orly's "good point" not found.

The point he was trying to make through all the spit was that the person was illegally in this country and was stopped by police numerous times... even for drunk driving. Then he kills a kid in a DUI. At what point is the state responsible for that death? The person was here illegally and breaking laws. In his mind and in the mind of a lot of conservatives, if you're in the country illegally you should be deported, especially if you're ever arrested for a DUI. If you commit a crime in a country you're in illegally, even if it's a misdeamonor you should be deported. And now we have a dead kid.

Geraldo had a good point that it could have been anybody, but Bill was right when he said it shouldn't have been this person.

Ardentfrost · 04-06-2007, 03:08 AM

I am very intolerant of drunk driving. This country has some of the most lenient drunk driving punishments in the world. The guy, despite race, should have been in jail LONG before killing someone. It's the state's fault because they have lax dui laws, as do all states I know about in this country.

Nationality doesn't matter. People die all the time due to drunk drivers. This is just another case of that happening where it could have been prevented (again, not because of him being illegal, but because it wasn't taken care of when he was stopped while drunk before)

JaJae · 04-06-2007, 03:22 AM

I was almost killed by a drunk driver about 5 years ago in a very bad accident where someone rolled through a red light on a highway and I hit him doing 50mph. So I also am also very intolerant of it. And I agree it could have been anybody, nationality doesn't matter.

But this person likely didn't have insurance if he's here illegally. He had been stopped numerous times in the past, I believe once for DUI (I don't remember the video) and nothing was really done to prevent him from driving or deporting him. There's really only one thing they could have done.. they could have sent him back to his home country since he was here illegally and breaking our laws and putting our citizen's lives at risk. Jailing him just allows him to come out and drive again. Illegals typically don't stop driving because we tell them they're not allowed to. Hell they're in the country illegally, what's a few motor vehicle laws. Especially when they know we're not going to really do anything to them. And I think that's the problem. They know they can get away with it because all we can really do to them is deport them and they know we won't. Their license can't be revoked because they don't have one. Their insurance won't go up because they don't have any. And the state won't incarcerate them. So we set up a system where they can basically do whatever they want. And now we have a dead kid and O'Rielly wants ratings.

Ardentfrost · 04-06-2007, 03:36 AM

I think the entire thing is misleading though... here's how it is:

orly wants ratings, therefore he makes a kid getting killed by a drunk driver about immigration

But what this misleads you to think is this:

Immigration is a problem in such a way that kids are getting killed by drunk drivers

It's simply disgusting punditry which ends in promoting racism (or, national racism). There are problems on multiple fronts here, but the immigration problem doesn't create a drunk driving problem... we already have one and anyone who comes to the US, legal or not, is susceptible to it

Thorgrim · 04-06-2007, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I think the entire thing is misleading though... here's how it is:

orly wants ratings, therefore he makes a kid getting killed by a drunk driver about immigration

But what this misleads you to think is this:

Immigration is a problem in such a way that kids are getting killed by drunk drivers

It's simply disgusting punditry which ends in promoting racism (or, national racism). There are problems on multiple fronts here, but the immigration problem doesn't create a drunk driving problem... we already have one and anyone who comes to the US, legal or not, is susceptible to it

I think what's most troublesome is what Rivera pointed to...thankfully Orlys audience is heavily comprised of people in their 50s, 60s and 70s, without those people he'd be one the lower ranked shows on cable

If he ever got a following of younger people, he might very well cause some sort of vigilante movement beyond patrolling the borders...anti-immigration groups going door to door in hispanic neighborhoods demanding papers and proof of citizenship, issues out beatings...maybe even lynching, to those who don't have their papers on them...

smokie700 · 04-06-2007, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

If he ever got a following of younger people, he might very well cause some sort of vigilante movement beyond patrolling the borders...anti-immigration groups going door to door in hispanic neighborhoods demanding papers and proof of citizenship, issues out beatings...maybe even lynching, to those who don't have their papers on them...

That is a bit much and if you believe that then a lot of things become clear. The man has his views and he has to make ratings. The points he makes are excessive but valid.

Ardentfrost · 04-06-2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by smokie700

That is a bit much and if you believe that then a lot of things become clear. The man has his views and he has to make ratings. The points he makes are excessive but valid.

No, they simply have enough truth in them to make people think they are absolute truth. I think Thorgrim's assessment is quite realistic because I know some people who watch him and now talk bad about immigrants all the time. LEGAL immigrants are moving into their neighborhood, and so now they want to move out and they talk about how the neighborhood is going to shit, etc... if they weren't so old, they would be quite likely to make some sort of activist group which could turn dangerous.

Orly is 99% bullshit, but that 1% is what some people are thinking in the back of their heads anyway (like, there are lots of illegal immigrants in the US). He then leads his audience to come to specific conclusions that I don't even think HE truly believes.

Roonie · 04-06-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Orly is 99% bullshit, but that 1% is what some people are thinking in the back of their heads anyway (like, there are lots of illegal immigrants in the US). He then leads his audience to come to specific conclusions that I don't even think HE truly believes.

Well said. I can see his listening audience almost wanting it to be true so they have something to direct there anger and hate towards. He absolutely makes extreme broad brush strokes with his talking points. The average listener not putting much thought into it would conclude the above.

thomez · 04-06-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Orly is 99% bullshit, but that 1% is what some people are thinking in the back of their heads anyway (like, there are lots of illegal immigrants in the US). He then leads his audience to come to specific conclusions that I don't even think HE truly believes.

sounds a lot like Rush Limbaugh as well

thomez · 04-06-2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

But this person likely didn't have insurance if he's here illegally. He had been stopped numerous times in the past, I believe once for DUI (I don't remember the video) and nothing was really done to prevent him from driving or deporting him. There's really only one thing they could have done.. they could have sent him back to his home country since he was here illegally and breaking our laws and putting our citizen's lives at risk. Jailing him just allows him to come out and drive again.

If it was a citizen, based on the state laws, he probably wouldn't be jailed either, and if he was jailed, he certainly would be allowed to drive again or at least able to do so illegally, which happens often enough as it is. The only way to truly prevent anyone who gets a DUI from doing it again would be deporting them, but we certainly don't do that to citizens. Pointing out that should have been deported really does nothing for the argument that you could have saved his life that way, since if it was the same dude with papers he would have done the exact same thing. The legality of his presence had little or nothing to do with him driving drunk and killing a child - but it can be spun that way so the "illegals are the devil" image that ORLY likes to promote is there.

SoFlaJDM · 04-06-2007, 01:02 PM

orly got

Ardentfrost · 04-06-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

sounds a lot like Rush Limbaugh as well

Oh, certainly. Pundits in general.

thatguyoverthere · 04-06-2007, 08:28 PM

ORLY owned himself by losing it like that. You start screaming like that and people think you're nuts and put you on youtube for others to laugh at.

JaJae · 04-06-2007, 08:33 PM

I think it was very even of a debate. I agree with Geraldo moreso than Bill, but if you sided with Bill I think you'd think your side was presented. I thought it was pretty even. If anything they owned themselves with their childish behavior.

thatguyoverthere · 04-06-2007, 08:42 PM

I know it's weird to hear this from a liberal, but I agree with O'Reilly on this issue. At least, I understand the point he was trying to make. When this guy brushed up against the law the first time, he should have been identified as an illegal immigrant and faced the proper penalties then.

That said, just on the yelling: I think O'Reilly was yelling louder and angrier than Rivera. Even Howard Dean would say "Dude..."

Plus, O'Reilly's the host. He should have a little decorum or go ahead and Morten Downey Jr. it all the way.

(Hell, if he did that, I'd watch it.)

Linzyhop · 04-08-2007, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I think what's most troublesome is what Rivera pointed to...thankfully Orlys audience is heavily comprised of people in their 50s, 60s and 70s, without those people he'd be one the lower ranked shows on cable

If he ever got a following of younger people, he might very well cause some sort of vigilante movement beyond patrolling the borders...anti-immigration groups going door to door in hispanic neighborhoods demanding pa

O'Reilly goes nuts...*vid* to see insanity and hackery at its finest

O'Reilly goes nuts...vid to see insanity and hackery at its finest