This administration is a p.o.s.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Describe SHAMBLES for me. We had some hostages in Iran, and Carter wasn't willing to trade weapons to get them released. We had a phony 'energy crisis' that shot the price of fuel up to ridiculous amounts, which he has nothing to do with. We only had 300 billion in a national debt, as compared to today. So please tell me what SHAMBLES is.

Massive Inflation
High Gas prices (if you could get it)
Sky High Interest Rates (as high as 21% I believe)
There was a 70% tax bracket!!!!


People couldn't afford cars and homes. I remember waiting over an hour in line to get gas with my dad. The economy was shit and it affected everyone. How much did it affect everyone? Well, they let their votes do the talking:

The electoral college vote was a landslide, with Regan winning 489 votes to Carters 89 and winning 44 States.

No one had confidence in Carter and people were truly miserable because of the economy.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

They're easier targets.


And yes, this administration is a POS. Bush is definitely the worst president of my lifetime.

How old are you?

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

My computer no, my politicians computer, ya I am cool with that. Everyone preaches about transparency with public officials, I don't think the same privacies apply to them.

That is why ThatGuyOverThere mentioned this is a post Watergate law situation. It was not clear when your President was in Office.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

How old are you?

haha. Were you hoping I included "you" amongst the list of presidents in my lifetime, thereby implying that you weren't the worst? I think you were a pretty shitty president, but you weren't in my lifetime. I'm 22.

For what it's worth, Nixon > Bush.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Massive Inflation

That is something these young people don't understand. A time when inflation is eating up every raise you get, every dime you save, and your purchasing power is actually dropping. It hurts the poor people the worst. We have that under control now. Some have no clue about economic hard times.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

haha. Were you hoping I included "you" amongst the list of presidents in my lifetime, thereby implying that you weren't the worst? I think you were a pretty shitty president, but you weren't in my lifetime. I'm 22.

For what it's worth, Nixon > Bush.

I figure most on the board go back to Reagan if they can even remember?

But thanks for the kind thoughts!

[Stylerod]

I might be able to say Johnson was the worst, but I'm pretty sure Carter was worse. I remember what it was like under Carter.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Massive Inflation
High Gas prices (if you could get it)
Sky High Interest Rates (as high as 21% I believe)
There was a 70% tax bracket!!!!


People couldn't afford cars and homes. I remember waiting over an hour in line to get gas with my dad. The economy was shit and it affected everyone. How much did it affect everyone? Well, they let their votes do the talking:

The electoral college vote was a landslide, with Regan winning 489 votes to Carters 89 and winning 44 States.

No one had confidence in Carter and people were truly miserable because of the economy.

They were the roughly the same brackets that were there under the Nixon administration. He actually cut taxes for those in the lower incomes. In 1964 there was actually a 77% tax bracket until. The 70% tax bracket lasted from 1965 to 1980. To put that tax burden specifically on him is not accurate as it lasted through Nixon (R) and there was a 91%-92% bracket during Eisenhowers (R) administration.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/f...y-20070227.swf

He had nothing to do with fuel costs because OPEC created some fake oil crisis. How is that his problem? He didnt go start an unnecessary war in the middle east to jack the price up like we have today.

Interest rates didnt hit 18% until ronald was president, and i think that was about 1983. They were generally in the mid 8%s during carters admin.

As far as their confidence in him..maybe it was a lack of getting hostages released..who knows.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

As far as their confidence in him..maybe it was a lack of getting hostages released..who knows.

It was a whole lot more. People were suffering from the poor economy. Like I said, it hit everyone and it was BAD. Carter promised to reform the tax structure and he didn't do it. His answer to the energy crisis was for people to wear sweaters. Everyone at the time thought he was a nice guy, but a horrible president.

[Stylerod]

Carter summed up what it was like for most of us by 1979/80.

I know, of course, being president, that government actions and legislation can be very important. That's why I've worked hard to put my campaign promises into law -- and I have to admit, with just mixed success. But after listening to the American people I have been reminded again that all the legislation in the world can't fix what's wrong with America. So, I want to speak to you first tonight about a subject even more serious than energy or inflation. I want to talk to you right now about a fundamental threat to American democracy.

I do not mean our political and civil liberties. They will endure. And I do not refer to the outward strength of America, a nation that is at peace tonight everywhere in the world, with unmatched economic power and military might.

The threat is nearly invisible in ordinary ways. It is a crisis of confidence. It is a crisis that strikes at the very heart and soul and spirit of our national will. We can see this crisis in the growing doubt about the meaning of our own lives and in the loss of a unity of purpose for our nation.

The erosion of our confidence in the future is threatening to destroy the social and the political fabric of America.

The confidence that we have always had as a people is not simply some romantic dream or a proverb in a dusty book that we read just on the Fourth of July.

It is the idea which founded our nation and has guided our development as a people. Confidence in the future has supported everything else -- public institutions and private enterprise, our own families, and the very Constitution of the United States. Confidence has defined our course and has served as a link between generations. We've always believed in something called progress. We've always had a faith that the days of our children would be better than our own.

Our people are losing that faith, not only in government itself but in the ability as citizens to serve as the ultimate rulers and shapers of our democracy. As a people we know our past and we are proud of it. Our progress has been part of the living history of America, even the world. We always believed that we were part of a great movement of humanity itself called democracy, involved in the search for freedom, and that belief has always strengthened us in our purpose. But just as we are losing our confidence in the future, we are also beginning to close the door on our past.

He was right. Inflation made it seem there was no way out of your economic problems. No matter how hard you worked your money was worth less. That on top of the oil crisis, the embarrassment of the hostages in Iran and the disaster of the rescue attempt that showed how poor our military had become, it was depressing. People were losing hope.

Regan came in and made us proud again. I remember a while after he was elected there was a news story saying how many more American flags had been sold in that short of time compared to how many flags were sold during Carters years. It was just a tiny example of how much happier people were now that Carter was out of office.

[Donkey®]

Forget Carter...let's get back to the topic of this thread.

It gets so much better...

Originally Posted by article

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.

"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.

The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.

The latest comments were a response to a new report from a liberal watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), alleging that over a two-year period official White House e-mail traffic for hundreds of days has vanished -- in possible violation of the federal Presidential Records Act. (Watch CREW's comments on the missing messages Video)

"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."

Perino stressed there's no indication the e-mails were intentionally lost, but she was careful not to dispute the outside group's allegations. "I'm not taking issue with their conclusions at this point," Perino said. "We're checking into them. There are 1,700 people in the Executive Office of the President."

Do they seriously think we're this stupid? You don't "lose" emails...especially 5 million of them.

[Roonie]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Do they seriously think we're this stupid? You don't "lose" emails...especially 5 million of them.

Holy shit!!!! 5 million missing come on that can't be right? Did they really cover their tracks like that?

[JaJae]

Have they tried Berger's pants? I heard he likes to shove damning evidence down his pants, but there's no hearings when Democrats do it.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Have they tried Berger's pants? I heard he likes to shove damning evidence down his pants, but there's no hearings when Democrats do it.

Let's keep focus here...we're not talking about Clinton or anyone from his administration. Emails...Bush...Gonzales...keep on track.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

We had a phony 'energy crisis' that shot the price of fuel up to ridiculous amounts, which he has nothing to do with.

He made the price higher with limits on how much gas you can buy. Add in the high inflation.



inflation was 6-14% during Carter's term. The highest it got under Reagan was 6%.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Let's keep focus here...we're not talking about Clinton or anyone from his administration. Emails...Bush...Gonzales...keep on track.

I'm trying to bring light to the situation as well as point out a double standard. E-mails are missing. And there does seem to be corruption involved. The most recent incident of documents gone missing that I can recall involved someone physically stealing documents and putting them down their pants. Aside from the strange humor in that, we can compare the two incidents and the reactions.

Personally I think it's messed up that these documents went missing. I hope they find them and everything turns out to not be a cover-up for something more serious. However, missing documents is nothing new during this administration. And while my post was meant to be a joke, I think it does have some merit in regards to people's reactions to missing documents. When it happened in past most members on this forum obstructed from responding. They ran from most threads regarding the issue. Yet in this thread we've had many active conservative members not only say it's absurd the documents are missing, but they've agreed that the administration is bad and they're comparing it to see how bad it really is. If we're going to debate or discuss this recent event I think it's only fair and pertinent to discuss previous reactions to similar incidents in the past.

[Scrum]

Just Rove covering his tracks.

Nothing to see here people. Move along.

[DosEquis]

Select email - delete - right click deleted items - empty deleted items - Are you sure you want to delete contents of deleted items

But it was an accident!

"oh we are trying to recover" Give me a fucking break, give me 2 hours and i'll have that shit up and running again on a server that doesn't even have exchanged installed on it

Not to mention the two seperate email addresses. The RNC one is supposedly only for political email and not official business. The other email is for the official business. You'd think he would use his official address for discussing prosecuter firing as that is not politically.... OH WAIT