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Old 04-15-2007, 06:00 PM   #1
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Top ex-military leaders call global warming major security risk

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Published: Sunday, April 15, 2007
WASHINGTON (AP) - Global warming poses a "serious threat to America's national security" with terrorism worsening and the U.S. will likely be dragged into fights over water and other shortages, top retired military leaders warn in a new report.
Joining calls already made by scientists and environmental activists, the retired U.S. military leaders, including the former Army chief of staff and President Bush's former chief Middle East peace negotiator, called on the U.S. government to make major cuts in emissions of gases that cause global warming.
The report warned that in the next 30 to 40 years there will be wars over water, increased hunger instability from worsening disease and rising sea levels and global warming-induced refugees. "The chaos that results can be an incubator of civil strife, genocide and the growth of terrorism," the 35-page report predicted.
"Climate change exacerbates already unstable situations," former U.S. Army chief of staff Gordon Sullivan told Associated Press Radio. "Everybody needs to start paying attention to what's going on. I don't think this is a particularly hard sell in the Pentagon. ... We're paying attention to what those security implications are."
Gen. Anthony "Tony" Zinni, Bush's former Middle East envoy, said in the report: "It's not hard to make the connection between climate change and instability, or climate change and terrorism."
The report was issued by the Alexandria, Va.-based, national security think-tank The CNA Corporation and was written by six retired admirals and five retired generals. They warned of a future of rampant disease, water shortages and flooding that will make already dicey areas - such as the Middle East, Asia and Africa - even worse.
"Weakened and failing governments, with an already thin margin for survival, foster the conditions for internal conflicts, extremism and movement toward increased authoritarianism and radical ideologies," the report said. "The U.S. will be drawn more frequently into these situations."
In a veiled reference to Bush's refusal to join an international treaty to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the report said the U.S. government "must become a more constructive partner" with other nations to fight global warming and cope with its consequences.
The Bush administration has declined mandatory emission cuts in favour of voluntary methods. Other nations have committed to required reductions that kick in within a few years.
"We will pay for this one way or another," wrote Zinni, former commander of U.S. Central Command. "We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we'll have to take an economic hit of some kind. Or we will pay the price later in military terms. And that will involve human lives. There will be a human toll."
Top climate scientists said the report makes sense and increased national security risk is a legitimate global warming side-effect.

The report is "pretty impressive," but may be too alarmist because it may take longer than 30 years for some of these things to happen, said Stanford scientist Terry Root, a co-author of this month's international scientific report on the effects of global warming on life on Earth.
But the instability will happen sometime, Root agreed.
"We're going to have a war over water," Root said. "There's just not going to be enough water around for us to have for us to need to live with and to provide for the natural environment."
University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver said the military officers were smart to highlight the issue of refugees who flee unstable areas because of global warming.
"There will be tens of millions of people migrating, where are we going to put them?" Weaver said.
Weaver said that over the past years, scientists, who by nature are cautious, have been attacked by conservative activists when warning about climate change. This shows that it's not a liberal-conservative issue, Weaver said.
National Security and the Threat of Climate Change - The CNA Corporation

Look at these crazy liberal global warming alarmists!

These dumb liberal alarmists have no idea what they're talking about! Don't they know that we've had SNOW in APRIL?! If that isn't enough to prove that global warming is a bunch of bunk, I don't know what is!

The report is due to be released tomorrow (Monday, April 16, 2007). I bet it's filled with a lot of crazy dumb talk by people who don't know what they're talking about. The science is fundamentally flawed and that's completely obvious to anyone with half a brain, so these stupid dummies are working from a flawed premise to begin with, and they don't even realize it! Man, will they look silly to all the REAL smart people out there!

lol! oh noes!!! warz over water?! National security risks?!

Let's point and laugh at these dumb, stupid, ignorant, crazy, nutty, silly, know nothing, Chicken Little, lemming alarmists. Who are they?

National Security and the Threat of Climate Change - Military Advisory Board (MAB) - The CNA Corporation

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General Gordon R. Sullivan, USA (Ret.)
Former Chief of Staff, U.S. Army
Chairman, Military Advisory Board


General Sullivan was the 32nd chief of staff—the senior general officer in the Army and a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As the chief of staff of the Army, he created the vision and led the team that helped transition the Army from its Cold War posture.
His professional military education includes the U.S. Army Armor School Basic and Advanced Courses, the Command and General Staff College, and the Army War College. During his Army career, General Sullivan also served as vice chief of staff in 1990 to 1991; deputy chief of staff for operations and plans in 1989 to 1990; commanding general, First Infantry Division (Mechanized), Fort Riley, Kansas, in 1988 to 1989; deputy commandant, U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, in 1987 to 1988; and assistant commandant, U.S. Army Armor School, Fort Knox, Kentucky, from 1983 to 1985. His overseas assignments included four tours in Europe, two in Vietnam and one in Korea. He served as chief of staff to Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney in the administration of President George H.W. Bush.
General Sullivan was commissioned a second lieutenant of armor and awarded a bachelor of arts degree in history from Norwich University in 1959. He holds a master's degree in political science from the University of New Hampshire.
General Sullivan is the president and chief operating officer of the Association of the United States Army, headquartered in Arlington, Virginia. He assumed his current position in 1998 after serving as president of Coleman Federal in Washington, D.C.
Admiral Frank “Skip” Bowman, USN (Ret.)
Former Director, Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program
Former Deputy Administrator-Naval Reactors, National Nuclear Security Administration


Admiral Skip Bowman was director, Naval Nuclear Propulsion, Naval Sea Systems Command. Prior assignments include deputy administrator for naval reactors in the Naval Nuclear Security Administration, Department of Energy; chief of naval personnel; and director for Political-Military Affairs and deputy director of naval operations on the Joint Staff.
He was commissioned following graduation in 1966 from Duke University. In 1973, he completed a dual master's program in nuclear engineering and naval architecture/marine engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and was elected to the Society of Sigma Xi. Admiral Bowman has been awarded the honorary degree of Doctor of Humane Letters from Duke University.
In 2005, Admiral Bowman was named president and CEO of the Nuclear Energy Institute. NEI is the policy organization for the commercial nuclear power industry. In 2006, Admiral Bowman was made an Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire in recognition of his commitment in support of the Royal Navy submarines program.
Lieutenant General Lawrence P. Farrell Jr., USAF (Ret.)
Former Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Programs, Headquarters U.S. Air Force


Prior to his retirement from the Air Force in 1998, General Farrell served as the deputy chief of staff for plans and programs, Headquarters U.S. Air Force, Washington, D.C. He was responsible for planning, programming and manpower activities within the corporate Air Force and for integrating the Air Force's future plans and requirements to support national security objectives and military strategy.
Previous positions include vice commander, Air Force Materiel Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, and deputy director, Defense Logistics Agency, Arlington, Virginia. He also served as deputy chief of staff for plans and programs at Headquarters U.S. Air Force in Europe. A command pilot with more than 3,000 flying hours, he flew 196 missions in Southeast Asia and commanded the 401st Tactical Fighter Wing, Torrejon Air Base, Spain. He was also the system program manager for the F-4 and F-16 weapons systems with the Air Force Logistics Command, Hill Air Force Base, Utah.
General Farrell is a graduate of the Air Force Academy with a bachelor's degree in engineering and an MBA from Auburn University. Other education includes the National War College and the Harvard Program for Executives in National Security.
General Farrell became the president and CEO of the National Defense Industrial Association in September 2001.
Vice Admiral Paul G. Gaffney II, USN (Ret.)
Former President, National Defense University; Former Chief of Naval Research and Commander, Navy Meteorology and Oceanography Command


Admiral Gaffney has been the Naval Research Laboratory commander and worked in a number of other science and oceanography administration assignments. He served as the 10th president of the National Defense University, and before that as chief of naval research. He also was the senior uniformed oceanography specialist in the Navy, having served as commander of the Navy Meteorology and Oceanography Command from 1994 to 1997. He was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Ocean Policy Commission and served during its full tenure from 2001 to 2004. He served in Japan, Vietnam, Spain, and Indonesia, and traveled extensively in official capacities.
He has been recognized with a number of military decorations; the Naval War College's J. William Middendorf Prize for Strategic Research, the Outstanding Public Service Award from the Virginia Research and Technology Consortium, and the Potomac Institute's Navigator Award. He has served on several boards of higher education and was a member of the Ocean Studies Board of the National Research Council from 2003 to 2005. He has been selected to be a public trustee for the New Jersey Consortium and chaired the Governor's Commission to Protect and Enhance New Jersey's Military Bases.
He graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1968 and has a master's degree in mechanical engineering (ocean) from Catholic University and a master's of business administration from Jacksonville University.
Admiral Gaffney is currently the president of Monmouth University in West Long Branch, New Jersey.
General Paul J. Kern, USA (Ret.)
Former Commanding General, U.S. Army Materiel Command


General Kern had three combat tours. Two were in Vietnam as a platoon leader and troop commander. His third was as commander of the Second Brigade of the 24th Infantry in Desert Shield/Desert Storm. The Second Brigade played a pivotal role in the historic attack on the Jalibah Airfield, which allowed the Twenty-Fourth Infantry Division to secure key objectives deep inside of Iraq. He also served as the assistant division commander of the division after its redeployment to Fort Stewart, Georgia.
General Kern's assignments included senior military assistant to Secretary of Defense William Perry. During that period, he accompanied Secretary Perry to more than 70 countries, meeting numerous heads of state, foreign ministers, and international defense leaders. He participated in U.S. operations in Haiti, Rwanda, Zaire, and the Balkans, and helped promote military relations in Central and Eastern Europe, South America, China, and the Middle East.
General Kern received the Defense and Army Distinguished Service Medals, Silver Star, Defense Superior Service Medal, Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals for valor, three Bronze Star Medals for service in combat, and three Purple Hearts. He has been awarded the Society of Automotive Engineers Teeter Award, the Alumni Society Medal from the University of Michigan, and the German Cross of Honor of the Federal Armed Forces (Gold).
A native of West Orange, New Jersey, General Kern was commissioned as an armor lieutenant following graduation from West Point in 1967. He holds master's degrees in both civil and mechanical engineering from the University of Michigan, and he was a Senior Security Fellow at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.
He is an adviser to Battelle Memorial Institute and holds the Chair of the Class of 1950 for Advanced Technology at the United States Military Academy.
General Kern is a member of the Cohen Group, which provides strategic advice and guidance to corporate clients.
Admiral T. Joseph Lopez, USN (Ret.)
Former Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces Europe and of Allied Forces, Southern Europe


Admiral Lopez's naval career included tours as commander-in-chief of U.S. Naval Forces Europe and commander-in-chief, Allied Forces, Southern Europe from 1996 to 1998. He commanded all U.S. and Allied Bosnia Peace Keeping Forces in 1996; he served as deputy chief of naval operations for resources, warfare requirements and assessments in 1994 to 1996,; commander of the U.S. Sixth Fleet in 1992 to 1993; and senior military assistant to the secretary of defense in 1990 to 1992.
Admiral Lopez was awarded numerous medals and honors, including two Defense Distinguished Service Medals, two Navy Distinguished Service Medals, three Legion of Merits, the Bronze Star (Combat V), three Navy Commendation Medals (Combat V) and the Combat Action Ribbon. He is one of just two flag officers in the history of the U.S. Navy to achieve four-star rank after direct commission from enlisted service
He holds a bachelor's degree (cum laude) in international relations and a master's degree in management. He has been awarded an honorary doctorate degree in humanities from West Virginia Institute of Technology and an honorary degree in information technology from Potomac State College of West Virginia University.
Admiral Lopez is president of Information Manufacturing Corporation (IMC), an information technology service integrator with major offices in Fairfax, Virginia, and Rocket Center, West Virginia.
Admiral Donald L. “Don” Pilling, USN (Ret.)
Former Vice Chief of Naval Operations


Admiral Pilling assumed duties as the 30th vice chief of naval operations, the Navy's chief operating officer and second-ranking officer, from November 1997 until his retirement from active service in October 2000.
Ashore, he was assigned to a variety of defense resources and planning billets. In his earlier career, he served four years in program analysis and evaluation in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. As a more senior officer, he served as a Federal Executive Fellow at the Brookings Institution in 1985-86. A member of the National Security Council staff from 1989 until 1992, Admiral Pilling was selected to flag rank in 1989 while serving there. From 1993 to 1995, he was the director for programming on the staff of the Chief of Naval Operations, and later served as the Navy's chief financial officer from 1996 to 1997.
Admiral Pilling also commanded a warship; a destroyer squadron; a cruiser destroyer group; a carrier battle group; the U.S. Sixth Fleet; and NATO's Naval Striking and Support Forces Southern Europe.
Admiral Pilling has a bachelor's degree in engineering from the U.S. Naval Academy and a doctorate in mathematics from the University of Cambridge.
He served as vice president for strategic planning at Battelle Memorial Institute and became president and CEO of LMI, a nonprofit research organization, in 2002.
Admiral Joseph W. Prueher, USN (Ret.)
Former Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM) and Former U.S. Ambassador to China


Admiral Prueher completed thirty-five years in the United States Navy in 1999. His last command was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Command (CINCPAC); the largest military command in the world, spanning over half the earth's surface and including more than 300,000 people. Admiral Prueher also served as ambassador to China from 1999 to 2001. He served two presidents and was responsible for directing, coordinating, and managing the activities of all United States executive branch activities in China.
From 1989 through 1995, Admiral Prueher served as commandant at the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis; commander of Carrier Battle Group ONE based in San Diego; commander of the U.S. Mediterranean Sixth Fleet and of NATO Striking Forces based in Italy; and as vice chief of naval operations in the Pentagon.
Admiral Prueher graduated from Montgomery Bell Academy in Nashville, Tennessee, and then graduated with distinction in 1964 from the U.S. Naval Academy, later receiving a master's degree in international relations from George Washington University. He is also a graduate of the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island. In addition to co-authoring the Performance Testing manual used by naval test pilots for many years, he has published numerous articles on leadership, military readiness, and Pacific region security issues. Admiral Prueher has received multiple military awards for combat flying as well as naval and Joint Service. The governments of Singapore, Thailand, Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Australia have decorated him.
Admiral Prueher is a consulting professor at Stanford University's Institute of International Studies and senior adviser on the Preventive Defense Project. He is on the board of trustees of the Nature Conservancy of Virginia.
Vice Admiral Richard H. Truly, USN (Ret.)
Former NASA Administrator, Shuttle Astronaut and the first Commander of the Naval Space Command


Admiral Truly served as NASA's eighth administrator from 1989 to 1992, and his career in aviation and space programs of the U.S. Navy and NASA spanned 35 years. He retired as a vice admiral after a Navy career of more than thirty years. As a naval aviator, test pilot and astronaut, he logged over 7,500 hours and made over 300 carrier-arrested landings, day and night.
Admiral Truly was the first commander of Naval Space Command from 1983 to 1986 and became the first naval component commander of U.S. Space Command upon its formation in 1984. While still on active duty following the Challenger accident, he was called back to NASA as associate administrator for space flight in 1986 and led the accident investigation. He spearheaded the painstaking rebuilding of the space shuttle, including winning approval of President Reagan and the Congress for building of Endeavor to replace the lost Challenger. In 1989, President Reagan awarded him the Presidential Citizen's Medal .
Truly's astronaut career included work in the Air Force's Manned Orbiting Laboratory program, and NASA's Apollo, Skylab, Apollo-Soyuz and space shuttle programs. He piloted the 747/Enterprise approach and landing tests in 1977, and lifted off in November 1981 as pilot aboard Columbia, the first shuttle to be reflown into space, establishing a world circular orbit altitude record. He commanded Challenger in August-September 1983, the first night launch/landing mission of the space shuttle program.
He served as vice president of the Georgia Institute of Technology and director of the Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI) from 1992 to 1997. Admiral Truly retired in January 2005 as director of the Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL).
Truly is a member of the National Academy of Engineering. He has previously served on the board of visitors to the U.S. Naval Academy, the Defense Policy Board, the Army Science Board, and the Naval Studies Board. He is a member of the National Research Council Space Studies Board, a trustee of Regis University and the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, and a member of the advisory committee to the Colorado School of Mines Board of Trustees.
General Charles F. “Chuck” Wald, USAF (Ret.)
Former Deputy Commander, Headquarters U.S. European Command (USEUCOM)


From 2001 to 2002 General Wald was deputy chief of staff for air and space operations at the Pentagon, and from December 2002 until his retirement in 2006 General Wald was deputy commander, Headquarters U.S. European Command, Stuttgart, Germany. USEUCOM is responsible for all U.S. forces operating across 91 countries in Europe, Africa, Russia, parts of Asia and the Middle East, and most of the Atlantic Ocean.
General Wald commanded the 31st Fighter Wing at Aviano Air Base, Italy, where on Aug. 30, 1995, he led one of the wing's initial strike packages against the ammunition depot at Pale, Bosnia-Herzegovina, in one of the first NATO combat operations. General Wald commanded the Ninth Air Force and U.S. Central Command Air Forces, Shaw Air Force Base, South Carolina, where he led the development of the Afghanistan air campaign for Operation Enduring Freedom, including the idea of embedding tactical air control parties in ground special operations forces. He has combat time as an O-2A forward air controller in Vietnam and as an F-16 pilot flying over Bosnia. The general has served as a T-37 instructor pilot and F-15 flight commander. Other duties include chief of the U.S. Air Force Combat Terrorism Center, support group commander, operations group commander, and special assistant to the chief of staff for National Defense Review. He was also the director of strategic planning and policy at Headquarters U.S. Air Force, and served on the Joint Staff as the vice director for strategic plans and policy.
General Wald is a command pilot with more than 3,600 flying hours, including more than 430 combat hours over Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, and Bosnia. The general earned his commission through the Air Force ROTC program in 1971.
Currently, General Wald serves as president of Wald and Associates, an international management consulting and strategic planning firm, and is an adjunct lecturer at the Atlantic Council. He is also a member of the Bipartisan Policy Center, National Commission on Energy Policy, and the Securing America's Future Energy Commission.
General Anthony C. “Tony” Zinni, USMC (Ret.)
Former Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)


General Zinni's joint assignments included command of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), which is responsible for U.S. military assets and operations in the Middle East, Central Asia and East Africa.
General Zinni's joint assignments also include command of a joint task force and he has also had several joint and combined staff billets at task force and unified command levels. He has made deployments to the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, the Western Pacific, Northern Europe, and Korea. He has held numerous command and staff assignments that include platoon, company, battalion, regimental, Marine Expeditionary Unit, and Marine expeditionary force command. His staff assignments included service in operations, training, special operations, counter-terrorism and manpower billets. He has also been a tactics and operations instructor at several Marine Corps schools and was selected as a fellow on the Chief of Naval Operations Strategic Studies Group.
General Zinni joined the Marine Corps in 1961 and was commissioned an infantry second lieutenant in 1965. General Zinni holds a bachelor's degree in economics from Villanova University, a master's in international relations from Salvae Regina College, a master's in management and supervision from Central Michigan University, and honorary doctorates from William and Mary College and the Maine Maritime Academy.
He has worked with the University of California's Institute on Global Conflict and Cooperation, the U.S. Institute of Peace, and the Henry Dunant Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue in Geneva. He is on the International Council at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice. He is also a Distinguished Advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He has also been appointed as a member of the Virginia Commission on Military Bases.
General Zinni has co-authored, with Tom Clancy, a New York Times bestseller on his career entitled Battle Ready. His book, The Battle For Peace: A Frontline Vision Of America's Power And Purpose, was published in 2006.
Remember, folks! According to the global warming deniers, the people listed above are stupid, irresponsible dolts or partisan hacks who are so blind and moronic that they cannot see the completely obvious fundamental flaws in the global warming science! Or maybe they're all in the pocket of "Big Green!"
 
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Old 04-15-2007, 06:17 PM   #2
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Though it is a really great post, why the inclusion of eugenics in the tags bar.
 
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Just a dig at the global warming deniers. I'll take it out!
 
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that is some nice work!
 
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Gosh, I hate to shoot down your cute little tirade so quickly, but perhaps you're unaware that the causality is debated, not the temperature.
 
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Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby View Post


Gosh, I hate to shoot down your cute little tirade so quickly, but perhaps you're unaware that the causality is debated, not the temperature.

Why is it everytime there is a snowstorm everyone this forum goes, gore was right huh?

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Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby View Post


Gosh, I hate to shoot down your cute little tirade so quickly, but perhaps you're unaware that the causality is debated, not the temperature.
You think I'm so dumb that I need to have sense slapped into me? Then, you're saying all these generals and admirals are dumb and they need sense slapped into them. Why don't you haul yourself over there to CNA and slap some sense into those stupid dummies and do us all a favor?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're so smart you can shoot down my entire thread with one measly sentence. Then, you should be able to enlighten these generals and admirals too.

The causality is not being debated. Did you read the article?

Top ex-military leaders call global warming major security risk

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In a veiled reference to Bush's refusal to join an international treaty to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the report said the U.S. government "must become a more constructive partner" with other nations to fight global warming and cope with its consequences.
The Bush administration has declined mandatory emission cuts in favour of voluntary methods. Other nations have committed to required reductions that kick in within a few years.
"We will pay for this one way or another," wrote Zinni, former commander of U.S. Central Command. "We will pay to reduce greenhouse gas emissions today, and we'll have to take an economic hit of some kind. Or we will pay the price later in military terms. And that will involve human lives. There will be a human toll."
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In the view of these generals and admirals that wrote this report, greenhouse gas emissions are contributing to global warming.

Anthopogenic Global Warming. AGW. These admirals and generals believe in it, and believe it can be countered.

Tell me how I'm wrong.
 
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Originally Posted by nbiggershaft View Post
Why is it everytime there is a snowstorm every on this forum goes, gore was right huh?
EXACTLY. Every time there is a snowstorm, the AGW deniers on this forum suddenly, merrily, and magically become GW deniers. "Because there's snow in April, it proves that global warming isn't happening! LOLERZ!!!"

But, oh, when the temperature gets hot, they turn back around and huff indignantly, "Oh, we never said the temperature wan't going up!"

Bunch of bullshitters. No one is buying your ridiculous AGW denial anymore but simple minded idiots, and still you insist on peeing on our legs and telling us it's raining.

Can you tell I'm enraged?
 
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Natural resources is something we've had wars over since the beginning of time.
 
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Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere View Post
You think I'm so dumb that I need to have sense slapped into me?
Yes.

Then, you're saying all these generals and admirals are dumb and they need sense slapped into them.
No, I'm not.

Why don't you haul yourself over there to CNA and slap some sense into those stupid dummies and do us all a favor?
Now that's just stupid.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're so smart you can shoot down my entire thread with one measly sentence. Then, you should be able to enlighten these generals and admirals too.
I didn't shoot down your entire thread. I shot down your cute little rant in between snip-its, i.e., "SNOW in APRIL!" ... which ironically has nothing to do with global warming.

The causality is not being debated. Did you read the article?
The causality is being debated. Yes, I read the article.

Why the Hell would anyone ever give two squirts of piss about EX-MILITARY LEADERS' opinions on a scientific study? What the fucking fuck?

In the view of these generals and admirals that wrote this report, greenhouse gas emissions are contributing to global warming.

Anthopogenic Global Warming. AGW. These admirals and generals believe in it, and believe it can be countered.

Tell me how I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. That's exactly what the generals think. That's their take, and they most certainly expressed that rather clearly in the article.




They're wrong for oh-so-many reasons, for which I'm sure the AGW doctrine has many natural defenses.

I can tell you that Vostok data indicates that global temperatures adjust before CO2, but I'm sure you have an answer to that, "But this is different because there has never been this much CO2 in the air. Ever! " The problem is, though, is that's a circular argument. Oh, plus it's unscientific.

I can tell you that Mars' global temperature has gone up significantly and its polar ice caps are melting, but I'm sure you'll tell me that's a coincidence. And it's also a coincidence that Pluto is reaching record high temperatures, and Jupiter is having some of the largest storms we've ever witnessed. Obviously these conditions that are spreading throughout the solar system are the result of the Industrial Revolution, right?

I can tell you that solar wind interacts with Earth's magnetic field, amplifying its ability to block cosmic radiation, and this cosmic radiation is the primary source of ionization in the troposphere, which affects the formation of condensation nuclei required for low altitude marine clouds. But I'm sure you'll have an answer to that as well.


The fact is, anyone advocating AGW is either scientifically inept, or they're doing it for funding purposes. In your retort, I invite you to save face by steering clear of the IPCC. Using them as a source to prove AGW is like using Phillip-Morris as a source to prove 2nd hand smoke is harmless.
 
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I think the premise of military officers concerned about wars being started as a result of global warming is pretty darn stupid. Wars have always been fought over natural resources, and they will always be fought over such things. These guys should focus on wars, their specialty, and not politics or science.
 
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Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere View Post
Bunch of bullshitters. No one is buying your ridiculous AGW denial anymore but simple minded idiots, and still you insist on peeing on our legs and telling us it's raining.
"Tell me how I'm wrong." LOZLZOZLOZOLOILOLOLOLOLLOLLLLZ
 
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Old 04-16-2007, 02:35 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere View Post
Can you tell I'm enraged?
Yeah dude, it's not even worth getting upset about. In a couple decades when everyone is laughing at global warming, will you still be enraged?
 
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:38 PM   #14
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I don't think it matters greatly the generals opinion of what the cause of global warming is, rather it is important that they believe there may be a security risk.

What interests me is this is one of those topics that is controversial, not due to the science behind it but due to the politics behind it.

The science that backs global warming is similar to much of the science that backs non-politically charged topics (and they have detractors or those that oppose the prevailing theory).

Most of the research done on global warming that has been published and reviewed concludes that man has an influence. Until that can be be discounted as unlikely through scientific work, I am forced to conclude humans probably do impact global temperatures.

I do not have the time or inclination to learn how to do in-depth study of the climate & climate models. I can't reasonably take the word of detractors over the proponents because the proponents have more reviewed (that is tested by sceince) evidence.
 
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:39 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by ballz2wallz View Post
Natural resources is something we've had wars over since the beginning of time.
DING* DING* DING*
That answer is correct! Jack tell the man what he wins!

Scarcity a topic covered in the first chapter of any undergraduate Economics course has many effects on culture. Most would tell you that religion is the reason for a lot of wars and violence. Religion organizes people, but the phenomena scarcity forces the hand of peace to be “War Like”.
 
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