AN AUSTRALIAN woman who was paralysed in a car accident claims she is "walking" again after receiving controversial stem cell treatment in India. Eighteen months ago, Australian doctors told mother-of-three Sonya Smith she would be confined to life in a wheelchair. Her spine was broken after she was crushed by ...
04-16-2007, 05:47 PM
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| No Benefits To Embryonic Stem Cells? Wrong AN AUSTRALIAN woman who was paralysed in a car accident claims she is "walking" again after receiving controversial stem cell treatment in India. Eighteen months ago, Australian doctors told mother-of-three Sonya Smith she would be confined to life in a wheelchair. Her spine was broken after she was crushed by her car when the handbrake failed. But after eight weeks of embryonic stem cell injections, Mrs Smith says she is able to stand with the aid of callipers and has regained bowel and bladder control. The Brisbane mother reported recovering "deep sensation" in her thighs and feet and can swing her legs. "When I first moved my toes, I was blown away," she said. "The doctors in Australia told me I would never walk again, but now I actually think I will be able to -- even without callipers some day." Mrs Smith is one of more than 300 patients who have been treated in New Delhi by Dr Geeta Shroff -- a controversial pioneer of stem cell treatment using embryos. She was forced to seek help in India because the treatment is forbidden in Australia. It involves collecting stem cells from embryos and injecting them into patients with injury or disease. Stem cells serve as a repair system for the body by dividing to replenish other cells. When taken from embryos, the cells are not eveloped, so it is believed they are better able to replace damaged tissue. Critics have described the treatment as irresponsible and unethical. I can walk, says stem cell mum | Herald Sun First of all, it's a good thing that she doesn't have to walk again. Secondly, it's wrong to believe that embryos are being destroyed just for stem cell reseach. This is still a good thing. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 05:58 PM
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| ^^ explain to me why this was not possible with adult stem cells. A stem cell has been found in adults that can turn into every single tissue in the body. It might turn out to be the most important cell ever discovered. Until now, only stem cells from early embryos were thought to have such properties. If the finding is confirmed, it will mean cells from your own body could one day be turned into all sorts of perfectly matched replacement tissues and even organs. Ultimate stem cell discovered - 23 January 2002 - New Scientist | ||||
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04-16-2007, 06:30 PM
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| Explain to me why embryonic stem cells isn't better than adult stem cells. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 06:42 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross What?
Did you mean why are adult stem cells better? How about: -Because they aren't surrounded by controversy. -Because there won't be federal funding issues with adult stem cells. -Because if they can do the same thing as the embryonic stem cells then why use embryos? There are 3 quick reasons off the top of my head. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 06:51 PM
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| Controversy? If that was a reason to quit then everything would end. We wouldn't even have science if controversy of any sort was a reason to stop whatever study. Government funding? What the heck is wrong with government funding? It's just another way to provide funds. Another option to be put out there. Who says embryos are being destroyed specifically for reasearch? That is nothing more than an assumption with no hard evidence to back it up. An opinion with no teeth. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 06:55 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross I answered your question now you answer mine. If adult stem cells can do the same thing as embryonic stem cells, why use embryonic stem cells?
Originally Posted by you But I did want to say something about this... "specifically for research"... so you admit they are being destroyed, but since "they would have been destroyed anyway then we might as well use them for research"
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04-16-2007, 07:04 PM
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| Because embryonic stem cells are far more fleixble than adult stem cells. And why not use them for research if they are going to be destroyed anyway? Don't people have the right to donate their body to science? And who are you to say that they can't? | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:05 PM
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| Oh and if you want detail here you go with a FAQ on stem cells: Stem Cell Basics [Stem Cell Information] | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:09 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross Recent studies show adult stem cells can be made to operate much like embryonic stem cells. So there is no need for the controversy......put the money and time in adult stem cells and they'd already be using them!
 Please show me one embryo that chose to donate its body to science. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:11 PM
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| Sorry, but embryonic stem cells are still the best, regardless of what personal bias says. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:12 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross The link on that page to "What are adult stem cells?" pretty much shoots 80% of your argument in the head. If more time and money (and it'd be fed money, too!) were put into adult stem cells........ well, we don't know because people too stubborn to see past their own wants and desires aren't allowing it
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04-16-2007, 07:15 PM
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| No, it does not. The facts remains, regardless of fetus fixated people, that ambryonic stem cells are better for research than the adult stem cells. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:15 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross of course they are, because that's what you already decided should be used
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04-16-2007, 07:17 PM
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| You use the best source for the best results. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:23 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross Like using a person's OWN cells for treatment like with adult cells? Or not having to worry about possible rejection and a life of immunosuppressive drugs like with embryonic cells?
They've been using adult blood forming stem cells for 30 years. Why not put some time and effort into working out the other parts of adult stem cell use? Why waste decades saying acting like fucking babies (no pun intended) and saying research on anything but embryonic cells is a waste? | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:25 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Thats an excellent point.
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04-16-2007, 07:34 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960
Because there are still things that only stem cells can that adult stem cells can't. There is still a lot of potential of embryonic stem cells that can be found through research, such as the potential to cure diseases that adult stem cells can not do, and help women to walk that adult stem cells can not do. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:35 PM
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| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 I honestly get angry every time someone says something about adult stem cells not being "worth it" because they're not as plastic as embryonic cells. Hey, guess what...that means docs need to find MY stem cells in MY bone marrow if they want to help ME. And they have to find MY stem cells in MY brain if they want to regenerate MY nerves.
But NO!!! They'd rather act like a bunch of fucking infants and not do the research because they can't "harvest embryonic cells." WTF. Literally DECADES of time/research wasted. We should be pretty fucking embarassed that KOREA AND INDIA are ahead of us on this......... pathetic. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:38 PM
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| I agree that there should be research done with BOTH types, not just limited to one type of stem cells. Anything else is a waste of resources. | ||||
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04-16-2007, 07:39 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross how about curing diabetes with ADULT cells? (link)
and blood (already linked) Help women walk, did you say? Yep, ADULT cells got that covered, too (link) wtf...........I mean honestly, did you even look this shit up before posting? | ||||
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