Originally Posted by 03 white zx3 Most women find out their fetus has abnormalities at their 20 week level 2 ultrasound, well into their pregnancies. Our doctor wouldn't do an ultrasound for our first son (born 1999) because there seemed to be nothing wrong with the pregnancy. He was right, ...
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04-18-2007, 11:16 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist 
| Originally Posted by 03 white zx3 Our doctor wouldn't do an ultrasound for our first son (born 1999) because there seemed to be nothing wrong with the pregnancy. He was right, nothing was wrong, the boy was born fine. The only reason they did one with the 2nd son (born 2002) was because my wife was 35 and that's considered "high risk." That happened at her 20 week appt. He, too, was fine. 
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04-18-2007, 11:43 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 I've had 6 so far (I'm 21 weeks) due to issues. I only had one with my daughter (born in 1997) and I was scheduled to have 2 with this pregnancy (one at 8 weeks to date the pregnancy and a routine 20 week anatomy check).
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04-19-2007, 11:22 AM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by nbiggershaft It's a drawing. Grow up. Again, if I wanted shock I would have put up the real photo of the completely developed baby with the flat head lying on a table.
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04-20-2007, 10:47 AM
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| Governments should fear their people  Paleolibertarian
| Though it won't accomplish anything, I have no problem banning this procedure since I'd be all for banning abortions completely. | ||||
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04-20-2007, 11:02 AM
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| no es mi culpa  Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by lew
__________________ There is small disproportion betwixt a fool who useth not wit because he hath it not and him that useth it not when it should avail him. | ||||
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04-20-2007, 11:08 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Linzyhop Yep, it's true...some people think they have the right to tell you what you can and can't do with your body. Welcome to the real world. They won that round and now they're going to start the push again New Push Likely for Restrictions Over Abortions - New York Times | ||||
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04-20-2007, 11:18 AM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by 7960 It has shit all to do with the mother's body and more about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the baby
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04-20-2007, 11:35 AM
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| no es mi culpa Independent Beantown
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
so then I take it your completely pro-life? | ||||
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04-20-2007, 11:39 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| A minor does not have full constitutional rights and "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are not constitutionally protected rights. | ||||
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04-20-2007, 11:42 AM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Linzyhop I'm not quite sure. The first trimester is a tough one to really make a decision on. I think I lean more towards brain development and organ development as a sign of baby-dom.
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04-20-2007, 11:59 AM
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| ipsa Scientia Potestas est  Pragmatist Greensboro, NC
| Abortion in general (not just this specific method) is barbaric and horrible and I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through it.. but it's not my decision to make for other people and there are definitely valid reasons why someone could chose to end their pregnancy.. I fail to see where I (or Congress) have the right to impose my will on what should be a decision between a person and their physician.. but considering things like the Schavio case I suppose it's not too surprising. What we really see here is a conservative Court validating conservative doctrine by backing up bad law through judicial activism [yes, the same judicial activism that has been present for the left until recently, and which Republicans happily rail against when it's not their causes being supported.] At the very least, there should have been an exception for the health of the mother in this law, and the fact that it wasn't should have rendered it unconstitutional until one is put in. The good news, though, is that the Democrats control Congress, and will hopefully control the White House in '08 and can begin undoing some of the socially backwards programs Bush has been implementing, like abstinence only education (which will lead to more abortions when kids don't have the proper education when they do have sex), adding in reasonable exceptions for the health of the mother, and so forth. | ||||
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04-20-2007, 12:02 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by motivez It is
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04-20-2007, 12:34 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by motivez
 Well put. | ||||
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04-20-2007, 12:42 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by motivez Very well said. The second thing I've agreed with Kerry on was when he said (paraphrased) "I'm personally against abortion and hope no woman ever needs one, but I'll support her if that's what she chooses."
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04-20-2007, 04:50 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard  Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz you have no right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness if you are inside of another person's body
__________________ Perhaps the sentiments contained in the preceding post, are not yet sufficiently favorable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. - slightly modified from Common Sense, Thomas Paine, 1776 I am Ron Paul, Congressman from Texas... I am the champion of the Constitution.  | ||||
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04-20-2007, 04:59 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by ballz2wallz
They can't even say the "A" word and you want them to recognize another life?  Not to mention that the legal concept that you can do whatever you want to your body is absurd. Do you want me to resite the medical laws? Controlled substances and prescription medication for a start? 
__________________ Sock It To Me!  "Bureaucracy is a Parasite that Preys on Free Thought and Suffocates Free Spirit!" - Douglas Adams | ||||
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04-20-2007, 05:01 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by motivez
Nice sentiment, but EVERY pregnancy is a health risk. That means 100% late term abortions on demand! | ||||
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04-20-2007, 05:06 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON 2 wrongs................ = right?
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04-20-2007, 05:25 PM
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| Banned Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by thomez Why not? That baby is as human as you and I.
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04-20-2007, 05:33 PM
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