bush accepts 'purple heart'. - Page 5

smokie700 · 04-27-2007, 05:14 AM

touche.

Good point but it still does not show how anyone can tell me what to do with my awards. the freedom of speech says they can say their thoughts but to condemn it is infringing on my right to do what i want with my property.

Edit: +1 rep point for Kytro for catching my technical foul.

smokie700 · 04-27-2007, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Scrum

Are you really going to argue this?

You really don't think the military answers to, and is paid by, the elected civilian government?

That was my point. I wasn't comparing it to the type of employment you see at a fast food restaurant. The people control the military. It's direct through representation and constitutional.

Its indirect and to claim it is direct is bullcrap.

thomez · 04-27-2007, 07:21 AM

It can't be any more simple than "all funds they receive must originate in the House of Representatives, those popularly elected every 2 years".

Scrum · 04-27-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by smokie700

Its indirect and to claim it is direct is bullcrap.

It most certainly is direct.

The people elect officials to command and supply the military. It's like we vote on who will be CEO and CFO. Obviously the old lady down the street doesn't issue orders to someone, but don't think that you don't answer to the people.

smokie700 · 04-27-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

It most certainly is direct.

The people elect officials to command and supply the military. It's like we vote on who will be CEO and CFO. Obviously the old lady down the street doesn't issue orders to someone, but don't think that you don't answer to the people.

I answer to my chain of command not anyone on the street. By your logic a customer of mcDonalds is the employer of everyone at McDonalds simply because McDonalds gets their money.
voting for people who set policy =! being the employer

Scrum · 04-27-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

I wasn't comparing it to the type of employment you see at a fast food restaurant.

Originally Posted by smokie700

I answer to my chain of command not anyone on the street. By your logic a customer of mcDonalds is the employer of everyone at McDonalds simply because McDonalds gets their money.
voting for people who set policy =! being the employer

I guess we could just keep arguing back and forth, but you would still be wrong.

We are more like stockholders in our country.

Wouldn't you say a stockholder is of a company is ultimately the employer since they are the owners? They hire/fire the people who set policy.

Stylerod · 04-27-2007, 01:51 PM

I guess I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Is Scrum saying you can't give your medal away because "he" gave it to you? Or did we vier from the thread topic?

Publius · 04-27-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I guess I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Is Scrum saying you can't give your medal away because "he" gave it to you? Or did we vier from the thread topic?

we've kind of branched away from the original topic.

JaJae · 04-27-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

It most certainly is direct.

The people elect officials to command and supply the military. It's like we vote on who will be CEO and CFO. Obviously the old lady down the street doesn't issue orders to someone, but don't think that you don't answer to the people.

They serve the people much like your local police department. You can vote for people in your local/state level, but you most definitely are not the direct employer of your police officers.

Dumpy Dooby · 04-27-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Scrum

It most certainly is direct.

The people elect officials to command and supply the military. It's like we vote on who will be CEO and CFO. Obviously the old lady down the street doesn't issue orders to someone, but don't think that you don't answer to the people.

This reminds me of the lady that said everyone is a murderer in America because, by extension, they pay people to murder others (she was actually referring to capital punishment).

Scrum · 04-27-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

This reminds me of the lady that said everyone is a murderer in America because, by extension, they pay people to murder others (she was actually referring to capital punishment).

And why would it remind you of that?

Do you think the Military is not a tool of the civilian government?

RMNIXON · 04-27-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

This reminds me of the lady that said everyone is a murderer in America because, by extension, they pay people to murder others (she was actually referring to capital punishment).

A very dumb lady indeed!

smokie700 · 04-27-2007, 06:21 PM

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Diesel66 · 04-27-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

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"Bush maintains that he joined the National Guard not to avoid service in Vietnam but because he wanted to be a fighter pilot. Rather than be drafted and serve in the infantry – an assignment Bush has acknowledged he did not want – he agreed to spend almost two years in flight training and another four years in part-time service."

Jed Babbin on George W. Bush & National Guard on National Review Online