I have a question for pro-lifers.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

that has NOTHING to do with my statement.

your statement

my statement


Now when did I mention murder ? Or the difference between murder and manslaughter ?

It was an example.

Under your system, self defence is manslaughter or worse.

No, but if that's what you want to think I said then feel free.

My original statement was about abortion........ if someone believes abortion is "killing a baby" then there is absolutely no way they can say "but it's ok to kill the baby she the mother was raped" and not by a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by me

If you're "pro-life" then abortion is murder, no exceptions. Health of the mother, rape, incest......none of that is the baby's fault so why does it deserve to die?

I'm ok with people saying "there needs to be an exception" but I just wish they'd finish the statement and include "because I'm a hypocrite" at the end.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by 7960

My original statement was about abortion........ if someone believes abortion is "killing a baby" then there is absolutely no way they can say "but it's ok to kill the baby she the mother was raped" and not by a hypocrite.I'm ok with people saying "there needs to be an exception" but I just wish they'd finish the statement and include "because I'm a hypocrite" at the end.

Shooting someone in the face is killing a person, but there are legal and moral ways to do it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Shooting someone in the face is killing a person, but there are legal and moral ways to do it.

That has absolutely nothing to do what anything I said.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by 7960

That has absolutely nothing to do what anything I said.

its the exact same thing. Both acts are killing a person, but not all examples of them are wrong.

It is possible to kill a man legally and morally. It should be possible to kill a fetus legally and morally. (self defense of the mother)

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

its the exact same thing. Both acts are killing a person, but not all examples of them are wrong.

It's different because you're assuming the fetus is harming her health.

It is possible to kill a man legally and morally. It should be possible to kill a fetus legally and morally. (self defense of the mother)

Oh, I didn't know we could start throwing qualifiers in.

And if the fetus and mother are perfectly healthy then you'd be ok with forcing her to carry to term, then, right?

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by 7960

It's different because you're assuming the fetus is harming her health.

what the fuck ???/

THAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT. If a woman's health is in danger she has the right to decide to abort.

Oh, I didn't know we could start throwing qualifiers in.

And if the fetus and mother are perfectly healthy then you'd be ok with forcing her to carry to term, then, right?

Yes because a woman has no right to kill her child unless the preganancy will kill/serious harm her.

That is very similar to the other laws. You have no right to shoot someone unless your life/health is in danger.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

what the fuck ???/

THAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT. If a woman's health is in danger she has the right to decide to abort.

Yes because a woman has no right to kill her child unless the preganancy will kill/serious harm her.

That is very similar to the other laws. You have no right to shoot someone unless your life/health is in danger.

we got all twisted around so let's back up a bit.... answer this

if a woman is raped and the pregnancy is normal and is not endangering her life in any way are you saying she should be forced to carry the baby to term?

[Diamond Cross]

Logically, if no one has the right to take a life, and that"s and that's any life regardless of what stage of development, then she has to be forced to carry the child to term with maybe only the exception of stillbirth and deformity such as being born without a brain. If she ends the life for any other reason, she is a criminal and should go to jail for murder.

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Logically, if no one has the right to take a life, and that"s and that's any life regardless of what stage of development, then she has to be forced to carry the child to term with maybe only the exception of stillbirth and deformity such as being born without a brain. If she ends the life for any other reason, she is a criminal and should go to jail for murder.

Logically, if no one has the right to take a life regardless of the stage of development, then shouldn't she be forced to carry to term no matter what? Should we also prohibit people from withdrawing life support from the already born? Let's prohibit any type of euthanasia (in the rare places that it is allowed) as well as the death penalty. It should be accross the board, right?

[7960]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

Logically, if no one has the right to take a life regardless of the stage of development, then shouldn't she be forced to carry to term no matter what? Should we also prohibit people from withdrawing life support from the already born? Let's prohibit any type of euthanasia (in the rare places that it is allowed) as well as the death penalty. It should be accross the board, right?

that's what I'm talkin' 'bout......... if someone says they oppose abortion because "a fetus is a baby" but then say abortion is ok in cases of rape then s/he's a hypocrite.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by 7960

we got all twisted around so let's back up a bit.... answer this

if a woman is raped and the pregnancy is normal and is not endangering her life in any way are you saying she should be forced to carry the baby to term?

Yes, because aborting the kid is murder. The rapist committed the crime, not the child. Punishing the child is pure evil.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Yes, because aborting the kid is murder. The rapist committed the crime, not the child. Punishing the child is pure evil.

I actually respect that you're not a hypocrite. I 100% disagree with your opinion, but I can respect that you aren't putting "feel good" qualifiers on it.

What I don't understand is why you are arguing with me. My posts in this thread include

Originally Posted by me

if someone believes abortion is "killing a baby" then there is absolutely no way they can say "but it's ok to kill the baby she the mother was raped" and not by a hypocrite.

if someone says they oppose abortion because "a fetus is a baby" but then say abortion is ok in cases of rape then s/he's a hypocrite.

If you're "pro-life" then abortion is murder, no exceptions. Health of the mother, rape, incest......none of that is the baby's fault so why does it deserve to die?

That's no different than what you just said.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by 7960

What I don't understand is why you are arguing with me. My posts in this thread include That's no different than what you just said.

because you included this part

"If you're "pro-life" then abortion is murder, no exceptions. Health of the mother, rape, incest......none of that is the baby's fault so why does it deserve to die?"



Abortion so save the mother's life is self-defense.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I got this from .

We were discussing the abortion issue. I compared abortion to taking someone off life support. But Jimeigh raised a seemingly better challenge for the pro-lifers. He asked what they think of fetus en fetu. It's a rare condition that occurs with twins. One twin will basically absorb the other twin while in the womb. The single baby will come out and have his twin inside of him (feminazis, feel free to replace "him" with "shim" "her" "one" "it" or whatever). Now technically, the fetus is still alive. It is just as alive as any other fetus, and it is just as much of a person as any other fetus. The fetus grows inside its twin, and it eventually becomes necessary to remove it. Is it considered "murder" to remove that twin?

Typically the absorbed fetus never forms into a fully functioning fetus. Often it's just a piece.