Hamas Chief says firing rockets at Israel is their right

[7960]

UN Security Council resolution for Lebanon - Israel ceasefire: full text

I'm going to go out on a limb and say planting bombs that killed israelis breaks rule #1..... “1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hizbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations;"


Even lebanon recognizes their actions were against the ceasefire........ keep denying it but it doesn't make you (or them) right.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

And it says they are not allowed to have weapons in their own territory?

Yes, as part of the cease-fire Palestine was supposed to disarm the militants that cause the shit in their country. And those militants are not supposed to be setting up bombs and re-arming themselves. Palestine is supposed to be policing them and if they fail to do so, the ceasefire is broken. Basically if they did what they did the ceasefire was broke and Israel would have been within their rights to bomb the crap out of Palestine.

In other words:
1. Palestine fails to uphold the cease fire agreements
2. Militants are re-arming and setting up bombs
3. Israel attacks the people violating the cease fire and doesn't call the truce off
4. The militants call the truce off and fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel
5. Palestine does nothing about it
6. Israel calls the truce off and is now allowed to re-engage in full scale military operations in Palestine
7. They choose not to and only engage militants who are setting up for another attack.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by 7960

UN Security Council resolution for Lebanon - Israel ceasefire: full text

I'm going to go out on a limb and say planting bombs that killed israelis breaks rule #1..... “1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hizbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations;"


Even lebanon recognizes their actions were against the ceasefire........ keep denying it but it doesn't make you (or them) right.

But they planted bombs in their own territory.

How is that an attack on Israel?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Yes, as part of the cease-fire Palestine was supposed to disarm the militants that cause the shit in their country. And those militants are not supposed to be setting up bombs and re-arming themselves. Palestine is supposed to be policing them and if they fail to do so, the ceasefire is broken. Basically if they did what they did the ceasefire was broke and Israel would have been within their rights to bomb the crap out of Palestine.

In other words:
1. Palestine fails to uphold the cease fire agreements
2. Militants are re-arming and setting up bombs
3. Israel attacks the people violating the cease fire and doesn't call the truce off
4. The militants call the truce off and fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel
5. Palestine does nothing about it
6. Israel calls the truce off and is now allowed to re-engage in full scale military operations in Palestine
7. They choose not to and only engage militants who are setting up for another attack.

I just looked through the agreement linked above and can find nothing that prohibits them from mining their own land.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

But they planted bombs in their own territory.

How is that an attack on Israel?

1. according to the ceasefire there are not supposed to be bombs in the area
2. according to the ceasefire the militants were supposed to be disarmed
3. according to the ceasefire the palestinian military was supposed to prevent exactly what happened

since the palestinians didn't uphold their part, and since israelis died because of it, israel had every right to say the other side wasn't upholding their end of the ceasefire.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I just looked through the agreement linked above and can find nothing that prohibits them from mining their own land.

what's this?

Aware of its responsibilities to help secure a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution to the conflict, the Security Council created a buffer zone free of “any armed personnel” –- both Hizbollah militants and Israeli troops -- between the United Nations-drawn Blue Line in southern Lebanon and the Litani River (12 miles from the Israeli border),......

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I just looked through the agreement linked above and can find nothing that prohibits them from mining their own land.

That's an agreement from August. I haven't read that one over, but the latest agreement was from November.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I just looked through the agreement linked above and can find nothing that prohibits them from mining their own land.

Here you go, right up top. The militants are not allowed to re-arm or set up bombs, etc.

“3. Emphasizes the importance of the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory in accordance with the provisions of resolution 1559 (2004) and resolution 1680 (2006), and of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, for it to exercise its full sovereignty, so that there will be no weapons without the consent of the Government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the Government of Lebanon;

The whole point of the cease-fires is to make these countries responsible for their militants or Israel can attack them. The countries themselves are acknowledging they violated the ceasefire. I don't understand how anyone can say they didn't.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by 7960

what's this?

The whole document prevents it.

[7960]

Originally Posted by JaJae

The whole document prevents it.

he "looked through the agreement" and missed it so apparently the parts you and I quoted needed to be pointed out.

[Scrum]

So why do you guys keep quoting an agreement between Lebanon and Israel when the issues here were in Gaza?

[7960]

Because it's full of palestinian people.

[Scrum]

So they aren't allowed to have any weapons or militants in the blue zone right? That's the text you keep quoting.


The blue zone is nowhere near Gaza.


So again, how did they break the ceasefire you keep quoting?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrum

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So they aren't allowed to have any weapons or militants in the blue zone right? That's the text you keep quoting.


The blue zone is nowhere near Gaza.


So again, how did they break the ceasefire you keep quoting?

#3 says "no weapons without the consent of the govt" so are you saying the govt approved of the militants planting the bombs, even though they agree it violated the ceasefire?

[thomez]

why are people quoting the agreement between Israel and Lebanon when the thread is about Israel and Palestinians?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by thomez

why are people quoting the agreement between Israel and Lebanon when the thread is about Israel and Palestinians?

Probably for the same reasons people have a tendency to lump all of the various groups together as one when talking about middle eastern terrorism..

Never mind that many of these groups oppose each other and have vastly different beliefs and goals, Israel is right no matter the situation, so they look for proof to back up their preconceived notions that someone else must be at fault.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by thomez

why are people quoting the agreement between Israel and Lebanon when the thread is about Israel and Palestinians?

Thank xenu someone else sees this.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by thomez

why are people quoting the agreement between Israel and Lebanon when the thread is about Israel and Palestinians?

Because Israel is right no matter what...even in imaginary treaties and scenarios. I am glad the people in here will promptly apologize and admit their mistakes.

[7960]

I got the wrong ceasefire......... here.

The armed wing of the Palestinian movement Hamas declared a five-month truce with Israel over on Tuesday as it claimed to have fired dozens of rockets into the Jewish state on its Independence Day.

Since they're declaring an end to the ceasefire I'd say israel has every right to return fire.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Because Israel is right no matter what...even in imaginary treaties and scenarios. I am glad the people in here will promptly apologize and admit their mistakes.

That does not absolve the Palestinian government fr