I also have a question for pro-lifers

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

What about "other" and voicing your opinion in the thread?

Ok, voted 'other'. I would count both as a good choice.

There are probably other reasons too, but I don't have time to write them all out at the moment.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Publius

But you're perfectly okay with the mother having to suffer potentially debilitating emotional trauma as a result of the crimes of that "father."

I say "father" because while the rapist would certainly be the biological father, it is highly likely that in no way shape or form will the rapist be a father to the child; he won't play with it, he won't buy it food, diapers, etc. Most likely the mother, if forced to have the child, will either live on government aid to support it or give it away to the bloated adoption bureaucracy, furthering their claim to need more and more government funding.

In no way does this end well for anyone, except that the fetus is born.

or what the Fetus would deal with throughout his or her life. how would that effect you knowing you were a product of rape. knowing your biological mother couldn't keep you because your mere existence disgusted her?

I'm pro-choice, but against abortion being used as an extreme form of birth control. If i got raped, damn right I would have an abortion.

[7960]

I'm not sure which is the correct answer so I'll put them both......

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

or what the Fetus would deal with throughout his or her life. how would that effect you knowing you were a product of rape. knowing your biological mother couldn't keep you because your mere existence disgusted her?

a) if she put you up for adoption how would you know any of this?

or

b) it's better than dead.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

I'm not sure which is the correct answer so I'll put them both......
a) if she put you up for adoption how would you know any of this?

or

b) it's better than dead.

nope. abortion all the way on conceiving from a rape. i am a full believer in karma and that child would be messed up karmically. but besides that, carrying that child to term, dealing with all the emotions, for it, against it. i couldn't do it. and someone telling me I had no choice would be messed up.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

nope. abortion all the way on conceiving from a rape. i am a full believer in karma and that child would be messed up karmically.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with aborting a baby from rape, but to say it'd be "messed up karmically" even if s/he didn't know anything about how/why it was conceived is comical.

but besides that, carrying that child to term, dealing with all the emotions, for it, against it. i couldn't do it. and someone telling me I had no choice would be messed up.

this I can understand.... but "messed up karmically" is messed up, period.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with aborting a baby from rape, but to say it'd be "messed up karmically" even if s/he didn't know anything about how/why it was conceived is comical.

this I can understand.... but "messed up karmically" is messed up, period.

so? people have their religious reasons. how is this anything less, side by side.

and by the way, karma is a part of my spiritual outlook on life, so for you to laugh at it and discount it so easily would be the same as me giving your religion the middle finger so to speak. way to have tunnel vision.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

and by the way, karma is a part of my spiritual outlook on life, so for you to laugh at it and discount it so easily would be the same as me giving your religion the middle finger so to speak. way to have tunnel vision.

This is not tunnel vision. This is me having spent last weekend on vacation with my wife's cousin and his family. He was adopted and has no idea who his birth parents are or why they gave him up. He's going through some medical issues and the different doctors keep asking if he knows his medical history and all he can say is "I'm adopted and have no idea" so it's making the docs' job more difficult. But I'm sure if you asked him he'd tell you he prefers having been born to the alternative. Did karma give him medical problems because his birth parents were bank robbers and left him at an orphanage? Maybe. But then again karma's place in this doesn't mean dick when, according to you, the alternative is being dead.

So I guess I am giving a big middle finger to your spiritual beliefs. Because my spiritual beliefs revolve around everyone being responsible for himself while yours revolves around absolving yourself of responsibility for your life and what you make of it and do with it.

[lew]

Originally Posted by imind

lew,

is a woman deserving govt assistance in instances of rape, if the govt is saying she must carry the child to term?

Even though I am against abortion in all cases personally, I guess that in cases of rape, it would be somewhat ok with me legally to have that option to abort it.


I am against all government assistance to everyone - except for veterans.

[DosEquis]

I have kind of put my position on abortion out there before. I am pro-choice. On a personal level i do not agree with it and won't be getting one unless the life of one of my booty calls is in jeopardy. I do believe partial birth should be illegal unless the mothers life is in question. That being said, as long as the procedure is done early enough, say within 20 weeks, I can accept that for others making the decision. I am not one to regulate or legislate their personal/family/medical decisions.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

So I guess I am giving a big middle finger to your spiritual beliefs. Because my spiritual beliefs revolve around everyone being responsible for himself while yours revolves around absolving yourself of responsibility for your life and what you make of it and do with it.

and that's why I don't want you, a man, telling me, a woman, what to do with my body and whatever happens to it after having been a victim otherwise.

until you've been sexually abused, molested, raped or harassed in anyway (which I was when I was a little girl), don't you DARE presume to even understand any physical or psychological issues that would come up after the issue. If I had conceived, YOU'RE DAMNED FUCKING RIGHT I WOULD HAVE ABORTED.

end of story.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

and that's why I don't want you, a man, telling me, a woman, what to do with my body and whatever happens to it after having been a victim otherwise.

until you've been sexually abused, molested, raped or harassed in anyway (which I was when I was a little girl), don't you DARE presume to even understand any physical or psychological issues that would come up after the issue. If I had conceived, YOU'RE DAMNED FUCKING RIGHT I WOULD HAVE ABORTED.

end of story.

I understand it. My younger sister was raped 4 months ago. And as much as I hated the thought of her getting pregnant by that animal, I am still against abortion.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

and that's why I don't want you, a man, telling me, a woman, what to do with my body and whatever happens to it after having been a victim otherwise.

until you've been sexually abused, molested, raped or harassed in anyway (which I was when I was a little girl), don't you DARE presume to even understand any physical or psychological issues that would come up after the issue. If I had conceived, YOU'RE DAMNED FUCKING RIGHT I WOULD HAVE ABORTED.

end of story.

I never said I'd oppose your decision. In fact I've said in other threads that I support a woman's right to choose what she feels is right for her, and my opinion of her wouldn't change based on the decision she made.

What I said in this thread was "karma" is a ridiculous reason to abort a baby conceived from rape. If you don't want to carry the baby to term because of psychological issues it'd present for YOU I'd be right behind your decision. If you wanted to abort it "for the baby's sake" because "karma will catch up with it" then I'd tell you to your face that you're making a bad decision.

Originally Posted by lew

I understand it. My younger sister was raped 4 months ago. And as much as I hated the thought of her getting pregnant by that animal, I am still against abortion.

Sorry to hear that someone did that to her.

But if she got pregnant what would you say if she chose to get an abortion?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

What I said in this thread was "karma" is a ridiculous reason to abort a baby conceived from rape. If you don't want to carry the baby to term because of psychological issues it'd present for YOU I'd be right behind your decision. If you wanted to abort it "for the baby's sake" because "karma will catch up with it" then I'd tell you to your face that you're making a bad decision.

it wouldn't be PURELY from bad karma, but karma would be one of the issues.

[DosEquis]

With the case of rape i think there is both issues for the child and the mother. The mother living her entire life knowing where that baby came from, constantly reminding her of what happened. Then there will be question from the baby on who their father is/was and the issues of the child knowing where they came from.. some kids could handle it..and others would probably turn out with some serious problems

Not to mention, how fucked up would it be after the rapist served their term, got out, and then wanted to fight for custody and shit.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

With the case of rape i think there is both issues for the child and the mother. The mother living her entire life knowing where that baby came from, constantly reminding her of what happened. Then there will be question from the baby on who their father is/was and the issues of the child knowing where they came from.. some kids could handle it..and others would probably turn out with some serious problems

Not to mention, how fucked up would it be after the rapist served their term, got out, and then wanted to fight for custody and shit.

yup. lots of issues. that "life" was not meant to be. it was created in violence and violence will be with it psychologically its whole life.

[7960]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Then there will be question from the baby on who their father is/was and the issues of the child knowing where they came from.. some kids could handle it..and others would probably turn out with some serious problems

Originally Posted by me

a) if she put you up for adoption how would you know any of this?

Not to mention, how fucked up would it be after the rapist served their term, got out, and then wanted to fight for custody and shit.

If the mother gave him up for adoption the rapist father would have no way to contact the child.

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

But if she got pregnant what would you say if she chose to get an abortion?

Nothing. Unless she asked my opinion. And then I would tell her that as painful as the whole experience was in the first place and will be in the time to come, I'd still rather the child be born.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

yup. lots of issues. that "life" was not meant to be. it was created in violence and violence will be with it psychologically its whole life.

That is not true.

[Linzyhop]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Linzyhop
yup. lots of issues. that "life" was not meant to be. it was created in violence and violence will be with it psychologically its whole life.

Originally Posted by lew

That is not true.

and that's why we don't agree.