I also have a question for pro-lifers

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

one of my children was conceived when I had the flu...... are you saying illness is going to be with him his whole life?

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

or what the Fetus would deal with throughout his or her life. how would that effect you knowing you were a product of rape. knowing your biological mother couldn't keep you because your mere existence disgusted her?

I'm pro-choice, but against abortion being used as an extreme form of birth control. If i got raped, damn right I would have an abortion.

My daughter doesn't know and I hope she never knows. I'm sure someday when she's older she'll find out, but I don't personally think it's right to tell your child how they were conceived, especially in such horrendous circumstances.

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

nope. abortion all the way on conceiving from a rape. i am a full believer in karma and that child would be messed up karmically. but besides that, carrying that child to term, dealing with all the emotions, for it, against it. i couldn't do it. and someone telling me I had no choice would be messed up.

I seriously take offense to this. Not all children who are products of rape are hated by their mothers.

Please tell me how my child is "karmically messed up" because I made the choice to have her?

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

yup. lots of issues. that "life" was not meant to be. it was created in violence and violence will be with it psychologically its whole life.

Damn. I'm so happy that you have things figured out. Where were you 11 years ago when I was pregnant so I could have known that then? Maybe I should have spared my happy, healthy and well adjusted 10 year old her life because of the circumstances she was created in.

To be pro-choice, you must be willing to support women in all of their choices INCLUDING carrying the product of a rape. Parenting IS a legitimate choice, as is adoption and abortion. If you wouldn't do it, that's perfectly fine. That's YOUR choice. But it is ignorant to insist that a woman who makes that decision will essentially have a messed up child and life because of it.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

I seriously take offense to this. Not all children who are products of rape are hated by their mothers.

Please tell me how my child is "karmically messed up" because I made the choice to have her?

I don't see where linzy implied that those children were hated by their mothers. I don't know shit about karma, so i won't try to defend or understand that part. The rest of it was personal feeling about a child coming from that kind of circumstance, and how it would not be right for the government to force someone to carry that baby to term.

I am not sure you need to take offense, unles karma is something important heh

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

or what the Fetus would deal with throughout his or her life. how would that effect you knowing you were a product of rape. knowing your biological mother couldn't keep you because your mere existence disgusted her?

I'm pro-choice, but against abortion being used as an extreme form of birth control. If i got raped, damn right I would have an abortion.

Dos, this is where I got it from
edit: I take offense because my daughter is the product of a sexual assault (tried and convicted of 2nd degree sexual assault of a child). Linzy seems to be implying with her posts that any woman who chooses to continue a pregnancy that results from such circumstances is irresponsible and isn't truly thinking of the child (hence the "karmically messed up" part).

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

one of my children was conceived when I had the flu...... are you saying illness is going to be with him his whole life?

Does that mean your wife got it too?

[7960]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

Dos, this is where I got it from
edit: I take offense because my daughter is the product of a sexual assault (tried and convicted of 2nd degree sexual assault of a child). Linzy seems to be implying with her posts that any woman who chooses to continue a pregnancy that results from such circumstances is irresponsible and isn't truly thinking of the child (hence the "karmically messed up" part).

She's not implying it, she straight up said it.

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Does that mean your wife got it too?

Of course she got it...... she got pregnant, didn't she

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

I seriously take offense to this. Not all children who are products of rape are hated by their mothers.

Please tell me how my child is "karmically messed up" because I made the choice to have her?

I'm sorry you take offense to it. That's not what I intended to convey in my post. I couldn't do it. I wouldn't be able to. I have a very close member of my family that was raped as well and not a day goes by that she doesn't think about it. If she had conceived from it, she wouldn't have been able to keep the baby without some serious psychological damage to herself. I wouldn't be able to have a baby knowing how it was conceived. You're a lot stronger than I am in that respect.

Damn. I'm so happy that you have things figured out. Where were you 11 years ago when I was pregnant so I could have known that then? Maybe I should have spared my happy, healthy and well adjusted 10 year old her life because of the circumstances she was created in.

and that's why I'm prochoice, so each woman could make the decision herself. I couldn't. you could.

To be pro-choice, you must be willing to support women in all of their choices INCLUDING carrying the product of a rape. Parenting IS a legitimate choice, as is adoption and abortion. If you wouldn't do it, that's perfectly fine. That's YOUR choice. But it is ignorant to insist that a woman who makes that decision will essentially have a messed up child and life because of it.

I'm not insisting all the children would have a messed up life, but once they find out they're will definitely be serious emotional issues to deal with. you choose to give your baby life. I wouldn't choose that. maybe I'm a wimp, i couldn't deal with all the consequences, but whatever you choose, the important thing is that we BOTH have a choice in the matter.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

I'm not insisting all the children would have a messed up life, but once they find out

Again....... HOW WILL THEY FIND OUT?

[imind]

Originally Posted by lew

Even though I am against abortion in all cases personally, I guess that in cases of rape, it would be somewhat ok with me legally to have that option to abort it.


I am against all government assistance to everyone - except for veterans.

then life is less important to you than the govt giving assistance?

you've elevated govt assistance to a moral plain, that its somehow immoral for it to happen, as killing is obviously, to you, immoral. yet you'd rather this child die than have the govt provide for its existance. are you a christian? i'm just curious to understand how you came to hold this opinion.

Originally Posted by 7960

Again....... HOW WILL THEY FIND OUT?

Because the mothers carry such resentment towards their children, I'm sure they'll tell their kids someday just how unwanted they are.

edit: Yes, this post is obviously super sarcastic and still slightly pissed off.

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

I'm sorry you take offense to it. That's not what I intended to convey in my post. I couldn't do it. I wouldn't be able to. I have a very close member of my family that was raped as well and not a day goes by that she doesn't think about it. If she had conceived from it, she wouldn't have been able to keep the baby without some serious psychological damage to herself. I wouldn't be able to have a baby knowing how it was conceived. You're a lot stronger than I am in that respect.

and that's why I'm prochoice, so each woman could make the decision herself. I couldn't. you could.

I'm not insisting all the children would have a messed up life, but once they find out they're will definitely be serious emotional issues to deal with. you choose to give your baby life. I wouldn't choose that. maybe I'm a wimp, i couldn't deal with all the consequences, but whatever you choose, the important thing is that we BOTH have a choice in the matter.

Of course we both have a choice. And we should both be supported in our choice instead of one of us bringing the other person down insinuating that our child will have serious emotional issues because of how they were conceived.

If you couldn't do it, fine. That's your choice. I wouldn't expect anyone else to make the same decision as me. But your whole attitude towards the children created really irks me. My daughter is not destined to have serious emotional issues to deal with should she someday find out that her biological father was convicted of sexually assaulting her mother and that is how she was conceived, and yes, I do find it offensive that you are saying that. Will it be hard if she finds out? More than likely. But will it ruin her life or her emotional stability? More than likely not. I would like to hope that the stable life my husband and I have provided her will more than outweigh something like the facts surrounding her conception.

[7960]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

Because the mothers carry such resentment towards their children, I'm sure they'll tell their kids someday just how unwanted they are.

What are you pissed for? My wife's cousin has no idea if he was unwanted by his birth mother or if she was a hooker or extortionist or nobel peace prize winner. You keep saying babies of rape will "know" but if they're adopted, how will the know?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 7960

What are you pissed for? My wife's cousin has no idea if he was unwanted by his birth mother or if she was a hooker or extortionist or nobel peace prize winner. You keep saying babies of rape will "know" but if they're adopted, how will the know?

i'm thinking 03 was raped and kept the baby. and when her child starts asking about her father, that's when she'll have to decide what to tell her. it's not about adoption in this case.

but to my knowledge most adopted kids/adults at some point go on a search for their biological parents. sometimes they find them, sometimes not.

Originally Posted by 7960

What are you pissed for? My wife's cousin has no idea if he was unwanted by his birth mother or if she was a hooker or extortionist or nobel peace prize winner. You keep saying babies of rape will "know" but if they're adopted, how will the know?

I don't keep saying that babies of rape will know. My daughter is the product of a rape when I was very young (we've had this discussion before on a long time ago). She's 10 and she doesn't know. I can't see them ever knowing if they are adopted.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by 03 white zx3

Of course we both have a choice. And we should both be supported in our choice instead of one of us bringing the other person down insinuating that our child will have serious emotional issues because of how they were conceived.

If you couldn't do it, fine. That's your choice. I wouldn't expect anyone else to make the same decision as me. But your whole attitude towards the children created really irks me. My daughter is not destined to have serious emotional issues to deal with should she someday find out that her biological father was convicted of sexually assaulting her mother and that is how she was conceived, and yes, I do find it offensive that you are saying that. Will it be hard if she finds out? More than likely. But will it ruin her life or her emotional stability? More than likely not. I would like to hope that the stable life my husband and I have provided her will more than outweigh something like the facts surrounding her conception.

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[Kytro]

It shouldn't matter why a child is born, only how they are treated and raised.

If I found out I was adopted / product of rape I wouldn't care a bit. As a child it harder to say how I would have reacted, because i really don't recall my thought processes

[7960]

Originally Posted by Kytro

It shouldn't matter why a child is born, only how they are treated and raised.

If I found out I was adopted / product of rape I wouldn't care a bit. As a child it harder to say how I would have reacted, because i really don't recall my thought processes

If you were adopted you wouldn't know so the point is moot.

If you were not adopted and you ended up being raised by your birth mother then she should wait until you are able to understand, and IMO she should tell you what you need to know. If you're old enough for this talk then you're also old enough to understand the consequences of the "other" decision....... so, ask a 15 year old kid "would you rather be here or never have been born?" and I think it's pretty clear what his answer would be.