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Old 05-08-2007, 04:02 AM   #21
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It doesn't matter about her celebrity status, it doesn't matter who told her, or why she didn't take care of it.....

What matters is that whatever she did, she should be punished just like anyone else. Everyone is always complaining about celebrities get off all the time, and this is the exact polar opposite of what usually happens. There are people who have done the same as her, who have done worse than her, in the way of DUI's, and suspended licenses, people in Southern California, who have hurt other people with their cars, and then driven with their unlicensed selves and gotten caught several times, and they get assigned fines they can't pay.

So, now, this rich girl, who would be able to afford a hefty fine, which that money could trickle down, and let's face it, a maximum fine for her at this point would be ALOT, For that, it would be a License revoked, and several thousand dollars, and that would be far more benficial to the situation than jail time, which our already stressed tax dollars would have to pay for?

What's the going rate on 45 days in County? How much is that all going to cost us Southern Californians?

To prove a Rich Girl a point? To make an example out of her? Go ahead. But, I shouldn't have to pay for a sentence for someone who's money I would rather have.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:33 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
To prove a Rich Girl a point? To make an example out of her? Go ahead. But, I shouldn't have to pay for a sentence for someone who's money I would rather have.
realistically she can afford a $1k/day fine for the rest of her life........ are you saying it's ok for her to drive without a license as long as she pays her $1k/day fine?
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:39 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
realistically she can afford a $1k/day fine for the rest of her life........ are you saying it's ok for her to drive without a license as long as she pays her $1k/day fine?
No. I'm saying that she was pulled over three times, on a suspended license, she should get penalized just like anyone else, and I've been to Socal traffic courts, and for similar circumstances, it's being fined, getting license revoked and so on. I do not agree with her being made an example of just because she's a celebrity.

I see alot of celebs get arrested and go to court because of where I live, and here we complain they get prefferential treatment. The solution to the prefferential treatment is not the polar opposite of sentencing. This isn't like a mandatory minimum or anything, this is a judge out to make an example, probably so he can run for a higher position, saying he's tough on those damn Hollywood Elites, and I don't agree with it.

I prefer to live in a world where the punishment is equal to the crime not someone's status in life.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:42 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
I do not agree with her being made an example of just because she's a celebrity.
You know she's being made an example of because she's a celeb? You're sure it's not because she mocked the judge during the trial?

I prefer to live in a world where the punishment is equal to the crime not someone's status in life.
The punishment this judge gave is is within the range of punishments for this crime. He picked it because (IMO) it was going to get her attention more than a sentence that "her people" would take care of.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:31 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
You know she's being made an example of because she's a celeb? You're sure it's not because she mocked the judge during the trial?

The punishment this judge gave is is within the range of punishments for this crime. He picked it because (IMO) it was going to get her attention more than a sentence that "her people" would take care of.
She is being made an example of, and I don't believe that people should be singled out in the justice system for the world to relish in their punishment because they have money.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:37 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
She is being made an example of, and I don't believe that people should be singled out in the justice system for the world to relish in their punishment because they have money.
Her punishment is within the standard punishment guidelines for her crime. She'd be getting singled out in the justice system because she had money if she were given preferential treatment like most other celebrities.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:37 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
She is being made an example of, and I don't believe that people should be singled out in the justice system for the world to relish in their punishment because they have money.
She is not being made an example of. She is getting a sentence that will affect her.


in other words, we disagree.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:43 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
She is not being made an example of. She is getting a sentence that will affect her.


in other words, we disagree.
I'm ok with disagreeing.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:46 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Publius View Post
Her punishment is within the standard punishment guidelines for her crime. She'd be getting singled out in the justice system because she had money if she were given preferential treatment like most other celebrities.
Jail can be issued for any crime. But that doesnt mean it equates with the crime.

If she was driving on a suspended license, she should have her CA Driver's License revoked. To me, that makes more sense than jail time.
 
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
If she was driving on a suspended license, she should have her CA Driver's License revoked. To me, that makes more sense than jail time.
She basically stood in front of a judge and said "Our justice system is stupid. Tell my people who much to make the check out for so I can get out of here." I'm not surprised the judge decided a fine wasn't the right punishment for her.

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I'm ok with disagreeing.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:57 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
Jail can be issued for any crime. But that doesnt mean it equates with the crime.

If she was driving on a suspended license, she should have her CA Driver's License revoked. To me, that makes more sense than jail time.
She was driving on a suspended license IN VIOLATION OF PROBATION.

"If a person is convicted of a probation violation, sometimes the court will extend his probation, or impose additional terms. Often, the court will sentence the probationer to a period of time in jail, followed by the continuation of his probation. Sometimes, the probationer will be resentenced to jail or prison, or will be ordered to complete a term that was previously "suspended.""

Criminal Sentences of Fines, Jail and Probation

45 days in jail is absolutely fitting with what she did, and rather common in fact.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:58 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
She basically stood in front of a judge and said "Our justice system is stupid. Tell my people who much to make the check out for so I can get out of here." I'm not surprised the judge decided a fine wasn't the right punishment for her.

Celebrity news has made me jaded. I prefer not to hear about any of them and thier issues, but living here makes that impossible.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:59 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by Publius View Post
She was driving on a suspended license IN VIOLATION OF PROBATION.

"If a person is convicted of a probation violation, sometimes the court will extend his probation, or impose additional terms. Often, the court will sentence the probationer to a period of time in jail, followed by the continuation of his probation. Sometimes, the probationer will be resentenced to jail or prison, or will be ordered to complete a term that was previously "suspended.""

I have a problem with non-violent offenders taking up room in our jails, and my tax dollars having to pay for it.

I'd rather her license get revoked for 5 years, and she pay a $25K fine, or better yet, make her work with retarded kids for 6 months.

Edit: I'd like to add, I'm not saying the judge didn't have the authority to jail her, he is within the law, this is true. But, there are more facets of it to me, than this being between her and the judge. Putting her in jail makes it between every tax payer too. I believe as a tax payer my money shouldn't be spent on making a point, it should be spent on punishing criminals. I don't believe she is a criminal, I believe she is brain damaged.

Jail isn't the end all of making a point to someone.
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:02 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
I have a problem with non-violent offenders taking up room in our jails, and my tax dollars having to pay for it.

I'd rather her license get revoked for 5 years, and she pay a $25K fine, or better yet, make her work with retarded kids for 6 months.

Jail isn't the end all of making a point to someone.
I have a problem with it as well, but the fact remains that it is a standard punishment on the books for her crime. She isn't being "singled out" because she is a celebrity, she is being treated just like a regular person. I for one applaud the judge for not having a double standard just because she is "popular"
 
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
Jail isn't the end all of making a point to someone.


and a $25k fine for a billionaire is?
 
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:10 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post


and a $25k fine for a billionaire is?
The City of Los Angeles could take that money, and I'd like to think it would go to prosecuting rapists, building low income housing, or something more positive than essentially taking her make up away for 45 days, which she'd end up only serving a few weeks anyways.
 
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The City of Los Angeles could take that money, and I'd like to think it would go to prosecuting rapists, building low income housing, or something more positive than essentially taking her make up away for 45 days, which she'd end up only serving a few weeks anyways.
But the goal isn't to take a rich person's money to build a house for a poor person. The goal is to do something to Paris Hilton to (a) punish her for her actions, and (b) make her change her behavior. That judge has to get her to change, not extort money from her to help someone else.

In other words, give me a $500 fine for speeding and I'll probably change my behavior. Give me a $5 fine and I'll probably laugh and hope the traffic clears up soon so I can do it again. She made it obvious to the judge that her previous fine and probation didn't affect her so he went to the next punishment on the list. Good.
 
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Originally Posted by 7960 View Post
But the goal isn't to take a rich person's money to build a house for a poor person. The goal is to do something to Paris Hilton to (a) punish her for her actions, and (b) make her change her behavior. That judge has to get her to change, not extort money from her to help someone else.

In other words, give me a $500 fine for speeding and I'll probably change my behavior. Give me a $5 fine and I'll probably laugh and hope the traffic clears up soon so I can do it again. She made it obvious to the judge that her previous fine and probation didn't affect her so he went to the next punishment on the list. Good.
No it's not the goal. But it's what they do with the revenue from fining people. I'd like to see less people in the jails, not more.
 
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Originally Posted by IminWonderland View Post
I have a problem with non-violent offenders taking up room in our jails, and my tax dollars having to pay for it.
trust me, she pays enough taxes to pay for her stay 365 days a year
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