Originally Posted by Kytro I agree totally with this point, though this has nothing to do with her celebrity status. If a fine was to be levied it should be based on a percentage of income. I'd be comfortable with house arrest. I may argue for House Arrest also. Apparently ...
05-09-2007, 02:04 AM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California 
| Originally Posted by Kytro I may argue for House Arrest also. Apparently she has a problem with having the right paperwork for being outside of the home, maybe she should spend some time on lock down and see if that's better. 
I just believe that jails should be for the violent people who can not be around others. The absence of freedom, if it would be SOOOOOOO detrimental for a person to be jailed, then shouldn't we save it for the people who REALLY deserve it? I can think of a 100 crimes on the books that are worse than hers. I want our jails to be filled with bad people. Not drunks, or people who are to warped into their own reality to understand what the heck is going on.
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05-09-2007, 02:12 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland When "drunks" are warned multiple times not to drive and continue doing it........ fuck them.
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05-09-2007, 02:16 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| I was almost killed by a drunk driver. There's room for them in our jails. She's not in prison. House arrest for Paris Hilton is like locking a kid in Disney World... put her behind bars. Let her see the world doesn't revolve around her and she needs to take responsibility for her own actions. | ||||
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05-09-2007, 06:07 AM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by 7960 If someone drives drunk more than once, then yes they should be locked up as they are a danger, but if not, then there are other approaches. This idea that imprisionment is the default punishment shows lack of reasoning
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05-09-2007, 06:13 AM
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| Baka Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Originally Posted by JaJae The number of people locked up in the US is insane, and you want to add more simply to make a point?
Originally Posted by JaJae It may be a good idea, but then again it may not. House arrest wouldn't be like you describe at all. As long as she cannot work as well - just because she lives in comfort does not mean she wants to spend all her time there. Not being able to do what she wants would still be frustrating.
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05-09-2007, 10:30 AM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Kytro There are a lot of people locked up in the US, but I don't have a problem locking up people who are a danger to society. That's the point of jails.
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05-09-2007, 11:35 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Kytro Prison was not the default punishment in this case as she'd been caught driving drunk more than once and had already lost her license and been put on probation for it.
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05-09-2007, 11:47 AM
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| Never, never, never give up  Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by IminWonderland The thing is. I'm home all day most days. I work from home. Of course I go out but it's not uncommon for me to be in the house for 2-3 days straight with only a trip to the school to pick up my kids or maybe to the grocery store. Though house arrest may be inconvenient, it really wouldn't be a huge punishment. I would still be on LL and OT and hell, I could even maintain my job. Friends and family could still come over and visit and party with me. I'm assuming I could still mow my lawn (does house arrest mean you have to stay in your house or just stay on your property?) and maintain my garden. For someone like Paris it just means the people she parties with move from the clubs to her house and by her pool. What really changes and what would she learn from it?
It's pretty obvious she is still a child. I don't completely blame her. Her parents are probably to blame as well. As she admitted in court, she doesn't have to think for herself, she hires people to do her thinking. She was pulled over two times after her drunk driving conviction and told point blank she can not be driving. It didn't sink in. Maybe 30-45 days or whatever in jail will make her grow up just a little bit. She will actually have to function and deal with problems by herself. And I bet after, she will come out a more responsible person. As mean as it sounds, jail might be good for her. | ||||
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05-09-2007, 12:13 PM
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| no es mi culpa  Independent Beantown
| i don't care if she has "people" think for her. she's an idiot. she gets what she deserves. What if she hit someone when she was drinking and driving. who was thinking for her then?
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05-09-2007, 12:22 PM
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| Never, never, never give up Conservative Party High Point, NC
| Originally Posted by Linzyhop Exactly. That's why I think she needs to go to jail and think for herself for a month to see what it's like. I think it will do her some good.
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05-09-2007, 05:49 PM
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| Originally Posted by Kytro I'm sorry, but driving drunk ONCE is one time too many. Don't endanger my life because you can't be responsible enough to call a cab.
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05-09-2007, 06:41 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by 03 white zx3 libertarians disagree.... they say you should be able to drive drunk until / as long as you don't hurt anyone.
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05-09-2007, 06:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 I will NEVER buy that argument, ever. Simply putting someone else's life in danger (which you are doing by driving while intoxicated) should not ever be legal. It should also be punishable. I don't believe in leniency for drunk drivers at all.
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05-09-2007, 06:56 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard  Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by 7960 link?
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05-09-2007, 07:03 PM
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| Liberty, now and forever  Libertarian Party DFW
| Originally Posted by 7960 o rly?
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05-09-2007, 07:12 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| ^ ^^ If I don't hit or damage you or your property how does my driving drunk infringe upon your liberties? | ||||
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05-09-2007, 07:14 PM
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| Liberty, now and forever Libertarian Party DFW
| Originally Posted by 7960 reasonably assumed risk. just like any libertarians worth a damn don't support people being able to wave loaded guns in the face of people without cause. Sure there are libertarians that support no law against driving drunk ... they're fringe, just like there are fringe members of the Democratic Party that want to get rid of the states and have one national government or fringe members of the Republican Party that want to force women back into the home and out of the workplace.
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05-09-2007, 07:43 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Publius Ownership of property and your rights as a citizen
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05-09-2007, 08:47 PM
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05-10-2007, 01:48 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by thomez Paleolibertarian
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