Originally Posted by Donkey® Then no need to argue this point because we agree in principle. So I am supposed to have access to CIA files? Just asking. I mean, the Freedom of Information Act only gives me so much access.... Here's a start...if you are naive enough to say ...
05-16-2007, 10:36 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® So do you think if the embargo was lifted we would magically become best friends with the Cuban government and all would be fogotten? No. We are still spying on China, Russia, many middle eastern nations. We wouldn't save a dime by lifting the embargo because Cuba would still be governed by a tyrant and we have to watch what he is doing. 
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05-16-2007, 10:37 AM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod
I don't think that at all. I think we can have no trade embargo on a country and NOT decide to trade with them. We do it with MANY countries today. BTW, according to many retards, we don't even watch Castro. (well, maybe not many) | ||||
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05-16-2007, 10:40 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® I'm sure we do. We probably watch every country, friend and foe. Trust but verify baby. Trust but verify.....
Again, thinking money would be saved because we lifted an embargo is silly. It would also solve nothing. If the embargo pisses Castro off, that's good enough for me to keep it going. Hopefully he will die soon and burn in hell for eternity and a new govenment will come into power that will free those people. | ||||
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05-16-2007, 10:42 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® You proved we're NOT spying on him because we don't know any more than someone might learn by watching TV and seeing him shake and assuming it's parkinson's.
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05-16-2007, 10:43 AM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod
So you'd rather waste the money and resources we do just to piss an 80 year old man off who is absolutely NO THREAT to our country? Aren't you supposed to be Conservative? That seems a little fiscally irresponsible. | ||||
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05-16-2007, 10:45 AM
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| Originally Posted by 7960
Right. The CIA "watched TV" and gathered enough "intelligence" to write a report. You're all sorts of stupid this morning. I am done with this thread. I am not going to play your bitch ass games today...I haven't eaten in 5 days. I would like to invite you to find ONE person in this forum that would agree that we don't watch Castro with our intelligence agencies and agree that I didn't prove my point. | ||||
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05-16-2007, 10:53 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® Again, nothing would change if we lifted the embargo. Would we stop spying (or watching-whatever), absolutley not. Nothing would change. Nothing would change. Nothing would change.
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05-16-2007, 10:54 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® We're wasting resources by not trading with Cuba? And I think the biggest reason we don't trade with Cuba is because the Cuban lobbying groups don't want us to. That's right, the Cubans don't want us to for humanitarian reasons.
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05-16-2007, 11:14 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey®
Seems way more likely than spies are in cuba and got something like Parkinson's wrong.
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05-16-2007, 11:18 AM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 How about plain old common sense. They are an unfriendly communist country just miles from our shore. You actually think we don't watch what they do? C'mon....
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05-16-2007, 11:24 AM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod "Watch"? I'd say "pay attention to" but that's a far, FAR cry from "we have our spies looking at Castro's every move..."
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05-16-2007, 11:30 AM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® If we were watching his every move we would know what was wrong with him and we wouldn't have wrong intelligence. You proved the opposite.. that we don't really know what's going on in Cuba and with Castro.
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05-16-2007, 11:32 AM
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| Originally Posted by 7960 Ah, we are splitting hairs based on what words were used in past posts. I get it now.
Yeah, while I don't think  is hiding in the shadows watching Castro go to the toilette, I'm sure we have  and  watching and listening to what they do. | ||||
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05-16-2007, 01:00 PM
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| Originally Posted by Stylerod Not really. IMO I'm guessing we barely pay a passing glance at cuba, other than to make sure they don't come here.
Not a chance. HIGHLY doubt. Possibly/probably. But no more than we pay attention to mexico or canada. | ||||
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05-16-2007, 01:34 PM
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| Originally Posted by 7960
Just to clarify...because the CIA's intelligence was WRONG (which I will point out hasn't been shown to be wrong by anyone but Castro which I am sure you'll somehow say is a credible source) doesn't mean they aren't spying. They had the intelligence to begin with in order to write their little report. How do you gather intelligence? That's right...you spy. I have provided evidence of 60 + years of the US spying on Castro. On the flip side of that is YOU saying "OMG WE'RE NOT". I would like for you to provide me the CIA document or some other sort of official document that states when this policy changed. Until you do, you're full of shit. Just the mere insinuation that we're not spying on Cuba is the singlemost stupidest thing I have ever heard on this forum. So keep on antagonizing. Keep on attacking me. Until you can disprove 60+ year of DOCUMENTATION showing we spy on Castro...don't bother posting. | ||||
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| Originally Posted by JaJae We knew he was sick before they made it public. We claimed he had Parkinsons before any illness was made public. We were just guessing? Random words lobbed over the Florida Keys just to have our fun? I have provided links that shows over 60+ years of the US spying on Castro. Feel free to provide ANY proof that we changed our policy.
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05-16-2007, 01:42 PM
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® I'm pretty sure we found out he was ill the same way everyone else did... when Cuba announced it. And we made assumptions based on the symptoms they released. Do you have evidence we knew ahead of time? I would be interested in reading that. I've always found our relationship with Cuba interesting.
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05-16-2007, 01:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae
That's not true at all. It was a "breaking story" before Cuba announced anything through their official media channels. Still not the point. Even if it was his butler calling into CNN...I have provided a long and concise track record showing the US spies on Castro. I haven't seen you or your buddy provide ANYTHING showing that policy changed in some way, shape or form. Just because you say so isn't "official." | ||||
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| Originally Posted by Donkey® :fixed:
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