The more reading I do the more I realize Clinton wasn't a total goober

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 04:02 PM

I say this primarily from a domestic stand point. In high school I hated the guy, thought he sucked, was basically feeding off of what I was learning from my parents and my limited resources at the time.

Having done shit tons of reading, I realize that he did have competent people around him. Part of the reason the economy did well was because he took a fairly hands off approach but when something did need to change, he did have a very competent economic advisor. I've read several articles from his head economic advisor and he's extremely smart. It makes me wonder why the democrats have so many issues comingup with stances on certain issues. This guy has addressed taxes, tax cuts, medicare, medicaid, social security, welfare and a whole host of other pressing issues that relate to us both socially and economically and yet no one seems to be paying attention.

Also, its not like the guy takes a far left approach, he's fairly centrist and level headed. Granted he's not without mistakes, I've seen/heard him say some things that make me go

but reality is in many if not most cases he's come up with good solutions, solutions that could work for america, something that we as americans could get behind and yet no one in the democrat party is talking about it.

I guess this is less about clinton and more about my frustration with the current state of the democrat party inthe country today. There are no viable alternatives for someone like myself, I feel abandoned by my party and dont know that I can stomach voting for what the democrat party is turning into, which is nothing more than a group of far left bomb throwers that bring no solutions, no real solutions to the table.

DosEquis · 08-13-2006, 04:08 PM

Wes Clark or Joe Biden will be great alternatives. They will have many clinton-esque things about them. Wes Clark actually voted for Reagan and Nixon, so he is not your crazy liberal or a lamont taliban democrat. Clinton also endorsed Clark for 2004 but he just joined way to late.

Given our current state of affairs I also think a former general as president is not neccessarily a bad thing. He obviously knows the military and (hopefully) could take a no bs approach to this "war on terror"

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Wes Clark or Joe Biden will be great alternatives. They will have many clinton-esque things about them. Wes Clark actually voted for Reagan and Nixon, so he is not your crazy liberal or a lamont taliban democrat. Clinton also endorsed Clark for 2004 but he just joined way to late.

Given our current state of affairs I also think a former general as president is not neccessarily a bad thing. He obviously knows the military and (hopefully) could take a no bs approach to this "war on terror"

Clark isn't a bad guy neither is Biden, though Biden is too left for my taste. Two democrats I have high hopes for

1) Ford of Tennesse
2) Bayh of Indiana

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-13-2006, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Wes Clark or Joe Biden will be great alternatives.

You think either has presidential or vice presidential plans?

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

You think either has presidential or vice presidential plans?

Biden clearly has presidential plans

DosEquis · 08-13-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

You think either has presidential or vice presidential plans?

Biden does for sure. Clark hasn't said anything right away and I suspect it will happen when the campaigns officially start. A clark/biden or biden/clark ticket would be awesome

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Biden does for sure. Clark hasn't said anything right away and I suspect it will happen when the campaigns officially start. A clark/biden or biden/clark ticket would be awesome

This coming from a clark hater

SpicyMcVoodoo · 08-13-2006, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Biden does for sure. Clark hasn't said anything right away and I suspect it will happen when the campaigns officially start. A clark/biden or biden/clark ticket would be awesome

A biden/clark ticket would be my dream ticket.

motivez · 08-13-2006, 05:56 PM

I think Biden might be a bit too liberal for some

Clark though, on the other hand.. He's not some "wacky liberal". I think he has a fantastic shot at winning if he runs this time around.. he already has credibility with the Fox News viewers because he appears on there as an analyst.

thomez · 08-13-2006, 06:23 PM

Clinton's "Third Way" was far better than any other President in my lifetime. Socially Liberal and Economically Moderate/Conservative.

I think he has great work ethic and truly does what he believes is in the public good. And he'd be my #1 public figure if I was voting "who do you want to have a beer with and shoot the shit".

Of course he has many flaws both personal and political, but I really like the guy anyway. Always have.

thomez · 08-13-2006, 06:25 PM

Oh and Gov. Warner of Virginia > Clark and Biden combined

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I think Biden might be a bit too liberal for some

Clark though, on the other hand.. He's not some "wacky liberal". I think he has a fantastic shot at winning if he runs this time around.. he already has credibility with the Fox News viewers because he appears on there as an analyst.

"Fox news is biased"

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

Oh and Gov. Warner of Virginia > Clark and Biden combined

I think I might agree

kinggovernor · 08-13-2006, 06:41 PM

his signing of nafta was brilliant

6SpeedTA95 · 08-13-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

his signing of nafta was brilliant

Yes sir

DosEquis · 08-13-2006, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

his signing of nafta was brilliant

thats like the main thing i disagreed with him completely

That and the whole monica thing. He is the president, he could have done waaaay hotter than that fatty.

kinggovernor · 08-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

thats like the main thing i disagreed with him completely

it has benefitted this country immensely, there is a reason every president for both parties has been for free trade for the past 50 years or so

That and the whole monica thing. He is the president, he could have done waaaay hotter than that fatty.

we can all agree on that, but she was close and an easy lay

thomez · 08-14-2006, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

thats like the main thing i disagreed with him completely

I'm south of ur country
takin ur jobs

protectionist trade policies don't make sense and never will

DosEquis · 08-14-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

I'm south of ur country
takin ur jobs

protectionist trade policies don't make sense and never will

They work really well for other countries... like japan. All kinds of red tape to get our vehicles in their market. It works for japan and beef. They have super strict quality standards, like beyond reasonable, to keep ours out. Keeping our beef out keeps their farmers in business.

I am all about fair trade. If its fair to have free..great. But in a lot of cases we get screwed.

motivez · 08-14-2006, 11:20 AM

Yup, free trade needs to be fair trade. If a foreign economy is artificially messing with their currency to keep it insanely cheap to manufacture there.. should we not do anything about it?