Bible targeted for obscenity

[up|dn]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

There's more than one "heaven". I suppose you could scratch out "the heavens" and replace it with "outer space", and your comprehension of the subject might improve. Deu 10:14

According to the Bible, there is a heaven above you. We call it the atmosphere. There's the heaven above that, which is outer space. There's Heaven, which is beyond that, which is where good little boys and girls go when they die.

You use a word in the English language in multiple ways, and don't have a problem with understanding its meaning in context. Try to apply the same latitude when reading the Bible. We have words for things nowadays (like "outer space" and "wrist") that they just didn't have back then.

The cosmology and understanding of how things worked was completely different than today. Most of us no longer believe that there's some place up in the sky where the gods live, or some place below the earth where dead people go (I don't know enough abour Mormonism to say what they believe about this). Most of us metaphorize it to the point that when we say "heaven" we're not talking about the same thing as what the authors meant, which in almost every case was simply "the sky", not some 5th dimension where spirits go. When someone has epilepsy, we don't say "oh he has a demon", and we also don't believe that there are spiritual powers of sin that contribute to disease and death. We say the words, but what the mean to us is different than what they would have meant to people from another culture and another time. To the ancients, there was no problem with Jesus or Elijah ascending to heaven on a cloud or whirlwind, since it wasn't really that far away. Current knowledge tells us that even ascending at the speed of light, it would still take years and years to travel to the nearest stars and obviously one would die as soon as they went even a few kilometres up.

To me the words in a translation are no big deal, it is the concepts behind those words that change. Most of the concepts in the Bible made perfect sense in that culture, but just make no sense (unless they're symbolized) today.

[SVTman]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with that. There are a number of Christians that would have to denounce major traditions associated with their religion if they actually read the whole Bible. I mean, how can you be a sexual prude after reading and understanding Song of Solomon? Any Christian that thinks sex is inherintly dirty or sinful must have that book missing or something.

i knew what you where talking about right when i read it. there are some out there that care about how God is portrayed and i happen to be one of them.

[SVTman]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

exactly. a good book of fiction. lessons should be taken from it, but not word for word.

as should every biology text book ever writen.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by SVTman

as should every biology text book ever writen.

How do you figure?

A biology book is inherently different from a religious text that asks you to have faith that what they're telling you is true.

[SVTman]

There are those parts of the bible that are a little more grafic then others. but i can pretty much garuntee you that the bible will be the only Religious book that this is done to. it is the way that society works now. get rid of the truth becuase a lie is so much more fun right.

[motivez]

Ok, but what about my question?

Personally, I want my doctor to take his/her biology book (and any other biological research that updates that book) word for word.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by SVTman

There are those parts of the bible that are a little more grafic then others. but i can pretty much garuntee you that the bible will be the only Religious book that this is done to. it is the way that society works now. get rid of the truth becuase a lie is so much more fun right.

what about the Qur'an?

[SVTman]

Originally Posted by motivez

How do you figure?

A biology book is inherently different from a religious text that asks you to have faith that what they're telling you is true.

there are alot of things in a text book that you have to have faith in the biggest one would be evolution. i don't want to take from the topic though so lets not go into weather or not that is true or not it is for my point. you have to use faith to believe anything that anyone ever tells you unless you experience it for your self. that is how it works.

"what about the Qur'an?"

yes i know but i would be willing to bet alot that it will never have anything like this happen to it. it is the way our society works. i can't say that they wont either only time will tell but personaly i dont think anyone will bring an acusation against it.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by motivez

How do you figure?

A biology book is inherently different from a religious text that asks you to have faith that what they're telling you is true.

The information in the biology book is often taken at face value as well. How many people do you know that actually dissect a bunch of animals to see if they really do all bleed red?

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

The information in the biology book is often taken at face value as well. How many people do you know that actually dissect a bunch of animals to see if they really do all bleed red?

Please tell me you aren't going to go down this road.

Originally Posted by SVTman

you have to use faith to believe anything that anyone ever tells you unless you experience it for your self.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

The information in the biology book is often taken at face value as well. How many people do you know that actually dissect a bunch of animals to see if they really do all bleed red?

I know that those people exist, that other people who do the same things review their work, and have come to a consensus on a great many things related to biology and how the bodies of animals (and humans) work.

It's not some scam that isn't verifiable through independent means.

If you study biology you will in fact dissect animals at some point, you aren't being asked to believe that a big invisible santa claus is up in the sky caring about whether or not you're naughty or nice..

[SVTman]

Originally Posted by motivez

If you study biology you will in fact dissect animals at some point, you aren't being asked to believe that a big invisible santa claus is up in the sky caring about whether or not you're naughty or nice..

your right instead they are told to believe that their great great great grandpa was a ROCK. Come on man really.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by SVTman

your right instead they are told to believe that their great great great grandpa was a ROCK. Come on man really.

I keep looking through my old biology textbooks and I can't find that chapter.


Perhaps you could point me to someone that says people evolved from rocks and that it was only about 5 generations back?

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Scrum

I keep looking through my old biology textbooks and I can't find that chapter.


Perhaps you could point me to someone that says people evolved from rocks and that it was only about 5 generations back?

god forbid we don't have a creationist on our hands here.

[hereticzero]

I don't think it should be listed as obscene but I do think it could be listed with the other works of fiction.

The Bible should have a disclaimer for works of fiction instead of several pages of sucking-up to King James for an introduction. If God were in Christianity, there would not be so many churches of different and opposing faiths. Saul of Tarsus was no apostle, and the Bible is NOT true and without error. It is a grand work of fiction. According to the bible, God is no respecter of persons, therefor, neither the Jew nor the Christian, nor anyone else of a revealed religion, are God's 'chosen' people. People are entrusted with the welfare of their fellow man. Evil is the result of men violating the personal freedoms of men. The single greatest example of the failure of total abstinence can be found in the Biblical story of Adam and Eve. God allows for us to party and be happy, Christianity does not. Religion is used to control the morals of society through violence and intimidation and influence political elections. What redeeming quality does religion have that is not already found in every living human on the planet? What reasoning is there to join a religion that has beaten its theology and doctrine into our collective consciousness over two thousand years through rape, torture, murder, black mail, and warfare? Organized religion preaches the propaganda spewed by our government as religious doctrine to obey. Just say 'NO' to religion.

Christians self-righteously expect and demand respect for their beliefs and they really do not deserve any for theirs any more than I deserve respect for mine. We respect the right of each person to worship as they choose as set forth in the US Constitution. This does not mean we respect their assumed right to teach our children (permission which most would never give you) to accept as truth concerning creation and moral values, a story of a girl living in a magic garden who was given a magic fruit by a talking snake. And it is because of this action that your god had an existential melt down and cursed all of creation to die. To make it up to us, he had sex with an unmarried girl who gave birth to him, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, thereby saving us from himself. That is pretty much their argument for the existence of everything?

Faith deserves no respect in the face of common sense and reason.

[garbagemanlb]

Originally Posted by SVTman

as should every biology text book ever writen.

the bible and any science books are not even remotely close to being on the same level.

[up|dn]

Originally Posted by SVTman

your right instead they are told to believe that their great great great grandpa was a ROCK. Come on man really.

translation:

I don't understand evolution and I don't care to understand it. Since I don't understand it, it must be wrong. Since it's wrong, that makes my view, by default, the only correct one. Therefore: God did it.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Please tell me you aren't going to go down this road.

I'm not sure which road you think I'm going down. I'm just saying, most of the laypersons that read something about biology in high school don't have any better understanding of biology than a layperson that read the Bible in church during Sunday School has about God and Jesus and His wonderful creation.

Many readers take what they read (or see in the nightly news, or hear on the radio) at face value. It was long known in the scientific community that aborigines weren't a different species, but it remained in the science texts laypeople read for many years. Why? Because if I saw it in a book, it must be true. Now that I'm writing the book, I'll repeat it. WHAT A CONCEPT!

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by garbagemanlb

the bible and any science books are not even remotely close to being on the same level.

I'll agree with that.

[hereticzero]

The book is pretty racy in some areas. Don't forget the story of Lot and his two daughters! Wild stuff! I always thought Lot's daughters got the blame for the old man's lustful desires. I do not see him getting seduced by his daughters, but knowing the religion and mid east customs, I can see them being raped by their father who passes the blame onto them and covers it up by claiming he was seduced into debauchery by alcohol given to him by his daughters.

The religion is obscene that preaches what is taught in the Old Testament. The NT agrees with the OT in brief quotes making it a witness to the wickedness of the Jews against humanity in the OT. It sounds pretty evil to me and should be banned and burned along with the other books already banned by the USA from schools and libraries. Don't like censorship in foreign countries? Clean it up at home first.