The Immigration Deal they want to slide through the Congress

[northhunter]

Forget for a moment what the GOP will have to talk about. If this goes through despite the vast majority of American's being against amnesty I'm thinking there will be some politicians looking for work when they come up for re-election. Voters may have short memorys for some things, i don't think this is one of them though. Just my humble opinion, but I think this will be the end of many political careers and rightly so.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by motivez

Exactly, why would they leave? Are we going to kick out their families too?

I guarantee we'll see pro-illegal immigration groups making a huge deal out of us forcing some little kid to leave their school or whatever like when that lady was holed up in that Church trying to claim asylum..

Lets be real here, if this happens, and a lot of them come forward and pay back taxes and $5000 .. we are not going to have the political will to deport them when their time is up.

It just wont happen.

the way I read it, only the head of household would have to go back at any point for those working on citizenship...

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Are you fucking kidding me? Holy hell the Dems are going to ruin our fucking country. Just so they can get more votes. What a fucked up party.

You know, what the eff ever.

Obviously the Republicans aren't that much better because

A) They had how long of control of both houses until when? They have had MORE than enough time to get some real legistlation through

B) Too bad you can't even count on a Republican President to veto this

C) This isn't a problem that sprung up yesterday.

If you want to blame ANY of them especially DEMS, then blame the other side too.

And you can't even blame them, this has been their platform for YEARS. That's not a secret.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

You know, what the eff ever.

Obviously the Republicans aren't that much better because

A) They had how long of control of both houses until when? They have had MORE than enough time to get some real legistlation through

B) Too bad you can't even count on a Republican President to veto this

C) This isn't a problem that sprung up yesterday.

If you want to blame ANY of them especially DEMS, then blame the other side too.

And you can't even blame them, this has been their platform for YEARS. That's not a secret.

I already took back my statement. Both parties suck.

[DosEquis]

I heard some of the finer details of the plan last night.

They do increase the border patrol to 18,000, put up some more fences, walls, and observation towers.

IF..and i mean IF.. they enforce this, it has a chance at working. But they MUST enforce it. Illegals who do not apply for the "z" visa face deportation, as they are still illegal. Those who do apply for it pay the fine and get to the back of the line. There is also a stipulation that they can't bring aunts uncles cousins brothers, etc.

I saw the summary on hannity and colmes, so i got the fox summary. It is one issue that i do agree with Hannity on ( ) and he couldn't make it sound absolutely horrible. Its still bad, but if (and they must) enforce it, it has a chance at working.

[hsmith]

@ the republican party

god, what a sham

[JaJae]

If this passes it would give a huge advantage to Democrats in upcoming elections.

[motivez]

I don't know about that, I think a significant portion of the country would be very angry at what they'll perceive as a Democratic lead effort.. even though it was obviously a bipartisan effort.

That said, it could dissuade Republicans from being enthusiastic enough to turn out.. so who knows.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by motivez

I don't know about that, I think a significant portion of the country would be very angry at what they'll perceive as a Democratic lead effort.. even though it was obviously a bipartisan effort.

That said, it could dissuade Republicans from being enthusiastic enough to turn out.. so who knows.

Good points.

[Thorgrim]

Bush signed it...

the stronger the backlash from white protectionists against democrats, the stronger the support from hispanics

Hispanics are growing rapidily while indepedent whites are shrinking, ill take that trade any day...plus its a sensible bill

[motivez]

Wait, he signed it? or plans to sign it?

I thought it was still a ways off from being completely done, debate and so forth in the Senate...

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by northhunter

Forget for a moment what the GOP will have to talk about. If this goes through despite the vast majority of American's being against amnesty I'm thinking there will be some politicians looking for work when they come up for re-election. Voters may have short memorys for some things, i don't think this is one of them though. Just my humble opinion, but I think this will be the end of many political careers and rightly so.

I want to see the next poll on congressional approval numbers? Can it get lower?

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

Wait, he signed it? or plans to sign it?

I thought it was still a ways off from being completely done, debate and so forth in the Senate...

The House Motivez, the House!

This was a Whitehouse/Senate closed door deal. Not near his desk yet!

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by motivez

Wait, he signed it? or plans to sign it?

I thought it was still a ways off from being completely done, debate and so forth in the Senate...

it's still a long way from being done

the bill has been neither debated or voted upon by either chamber

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by hsmith

@ the republican party

god, what a sham

Why is this man so happy?

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Phantom

it's still a long way from being done

the bill has been neither debated or voted upon by either chamber

You got it!


All we have is enough as yet unvoted support from the Senate and Bush is Ok with it. So keep those e-mails and phone calls to the congress going!

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Bush signed it...

the stronger the backlash from white protectionists against democrats, the stronger the support from hispanics

Hispanics are growing rapidily while indepedent whites are shrinking, ill take that trade any day...plus its a sensible bill

I disagree.

First, I would not use the word protectionist, like being anti-amnesty is some sort of motivation to keep the United States the "white mans" country and we ain gunna be over run by deez here messsicans.

Amnesty does an enormous disservice to the honest hard working immigrant who did the paperwork and followed our laws correctly.

Amnesty sets a precedent that if you just sneak over in large enough numbers you'll get citizenship one way or the other despite no respect for our laws.

It is not just "white protectionists" against illegal immigration. Being a 'liberal' on the labor side, pro-union, etc, I recognize what illegal workers generally get paid and what it does to the rest of our labor.

These wages are essentially slave wages and there is no accountability to those who hire these people who come here illegally. If they get injured on the job the employer washes their hands of the worker, the worker goes to the hospital, and then our healthcare system pays for these people who are not even citizens.

Finally if the motivation for such a bill is simply to get votes and is not necessarily what is good for the country, they will just lose my vote. I am interested in seeing what is best for the country not how many mexican voters the democrats can get. I believe (other than this bullshit) that democrats generally have the right ideas and path for our country. If they just went on principle instead of worrying about winning over latino votes, redistricting, etc, they would have more respect and would be more electable without needing to pull this horse shit. They are a bunch of used car salesmen trying to push a 1985 Ford Tempo with 185,000 miles on me, while they try to convince me it is a 2005 Monte SS...and then wonder why i question their motives, integrity, judgement, and leadership ability.

If that makes me republican, despite being pro-union, pro healthcare for everyone under 18, against interventionist foreign policy, against free trade but for fair trade, for a windfall profit tax on exxon's 35 billion dollar profit, pro environmental regulation, pro tax increases for the wealthiest americans, against the Iraq war, against a 500 billion dollar military budget, and against most republicans... Then fine.. call me a conservative republican.

[kinggovernor]

i think it is a good pragmatic compromise

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

i think it is a good pragmatic compromise

I think all it will accomplish is amnesty and the rest of the promises will never get done.