The Immigration Deal they want to slide through the Congress

[RMNIXON]

Immigration Deal Would Grant Amnesty to Parents, Spouses and Children


Kennedy Wins Major Concessions From Republicans

UPDATE: Six conservative senators are demanding that Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R.-Ky.) negotiate a “full and open debate” on the immigration legislation.

Senate Democrats and Republicans are working feverishly with the White House to put the finishing touches on an immigration proposal that could be announced later today or tomorrow. The deal would give illegal aliens living in the United States amnesty, according to confidential sources. It would also allow illegal aliens to bring their parents, spouses and children into the United States.

Multiple sources on Capitol Hill with knowledge of the proposal said Sen. Teddy Kennedy (D.-Mass.) has been able to extract significant concessions from Republicans. The critical part of the deal is a lengthy section that spells out the provisions related to “Z” visas -- or what my sources described as the “Amnesty Title” of the bill. The “Z” visas would be broken down into three categories as follows:

Z-1 -- Illegal alien present and working in the United States up to January 1, 2007

Z-2 -- Parents and spouses of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category

Z-3 -- Children of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category

Immigration Deal Would Grant Amnesty to Parents, Spouses and Children | Redstate
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I can't believe I am reading this? I would rather have more years of do nothing than to pass this kind of illegal immigration magnet. I wonder why this has not been given more attention yet?

[ballz2wallz]

Yeah I've been seeing this slip on through the cracks of media attention. I was wondering when it would grab people the wrong way.

[JaJae]

I think the idea of amnesty included will prevent it from being passed. But if it does, I don't think Bush would veto this.

[Thorgrim]

The GOP house is going to have a fit if this is true, and it's going to land us the hispanic vote for decades

Ofcourse, I assume Bush's team has been involved in the negotiations, if they haven't then this is all just pointless

[Linzyhop]

this is bullshit. they better not pass this.

[Phantom]

Repubs are going to pay for their idiocracy last year in attempting to criminalize illegals and refusing to work with the McCain bill. Now they are going to have something much worse (to them) shoved down their throats...

[Stylerod]

Are you fucking kidding me? Holy hell the Dems are going to ruin our fucking country. Just so they can get more votes. What a fucked up party.

[ballz2wallz]

Yeah this isn't good...

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Repubs are going to pay for their idiocracy last year in attempting to criminalize illegals and refusing to work with the McCain bill. Now they are going to have something much worse (to them) shoved down their throats...

Oh no! You mean, we shouldn't punish people who are doing Illegal things???? I'm sorry, I must have missed that part of the law in school.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Repubs are going to pay for their idiocracy last year in attempting to criminalize illegals and refusing to work with the McCain bill. Now they are going to have something much worse (to them) shoved down their throats...

I told a cop the other day when he was arresting a buddy of mine that he shouldn't be criminalizing his posession of weed

[DosEquis]

This is complete horse shit. The president won't veto it either because he is just as bad as the rest of these clowns that want to pass this crap. It didn't work in 1986 when Reagan did it and it won't work today.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Are you fucking kidding me? Holy hell the Dems are going to ruin our fucking country. Just so they can get more votes. What a fucked up party.

Your boy Reagan did the same thing, and your boy Bush could veto it. Democrats are not the only retards on this one. This is definitely a bi-partisan retardation.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I told a cop the other day when he was arresting a buddy of mine that he shouldn't be criminalizing his posession of weed

I have a feeling your buddy came into possession of the weed after it became illegal, there's no defense to that...

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Phantom

I have a feeling your buddy came into possession of the weed after it became illegal, there's no defense to that...

In 1986 we established an amnesty program and reformed immigration laws. Any of them here before 1986 were granted amnesty and any of them here after 1986 and didn't follow those laws are here illegally. They have no defense and neither does the person who hires them illegally.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Are you fucking kidding me? Holy hell the Dems are going to ruin our fucking country. Just so they can get more votes. What a fucked up party.

But that is so much more important than the simple principle that we have an immigration process and all people should get in line and be treated equally to get that privilege.

Both parties have been playing politics with the countries future, only the Democrats have the upper hand at the moment.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Are you fucking kidding me? Holy hell the Dems are going to ruin our fucking country. Just so they can get more votes. What a fucked up party.

blaming JUST the Democrats for this? Get real, how about less partisan "zomg the other party is so bad" and more careful analysis of what has actually happened so far?

It takes two to tango, and Democrats have been working closely with Republicans and Bush to come to some sort of agreement.. both are at fault.

It would also allow illegal aliens to bring their parents, spouses and children into the United States.

This is a fucking horrible idea, I have no problem with legal immigration, but these people have violated the law and should not be rewarded with a streamlined process for citizenship.. all it will do is encourage more to do the same thing instead of through proper channels.

It was just on the news that Kennedy came out to speak to reporters saying that a deal has indeed been reached and that all of the stuff posted in the original post is too.

Here is the article about the agreement reached:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators and the White House reached agreement Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border.

The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally.

The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the agreement.

The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities.

The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so- called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.

The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

A spokesman for Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., one of his party's key players in the talks, confirmed that the group had reached agreement.

The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a "Z visa" and—after paying fees and a $5,000 fine—ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.

A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those so-called "triggers" had been activated.

Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.

Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.

In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair system that rips families apart.

Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card—except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.

New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.

Agreement Reached on Immigration Reform

at the idea that they're just going to up and leave after two years after bringing their family and everything over?

Although, an emphasis on degrees, and education is not bad, all this is going to do is encourage more people to come here and take advantage of the streamlined process.

I can't imagine anyone thinks this is a good idea.. we desperately need immigration reform, but this shouldn't be it.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

blaming JUST the Democrats for this? Get real, how about less partisan "zomg the other party is so bad" and more careful analysis of what has actually happened so far?

It takes two to tango, and Democrats have been working closely with Republicans and Bush to come to some sort of agreement.. both are at fault.



This is a fucking horrible idea, I have no problem with legal immigration, but these people have violated the law and should not be rewarded with a streamlined process for citizenship.. all it will do is encourage more to do the same thing instead of through proper channels.

It was just on the news that Kennedy came out to speak to reporters saying that a deal has indeed been reached and that all of the stuff posted in the original post is too.

Here is the article about the agreement reached:



Agreement Reached on Immigration Reform

at the idea that they're just going to up and leave after two years after bringing their family and everything over?

Although, an emphasis on degrees, and education is not bad, all this is going to do is encourage more people to come here and take advantage of the streamlined process.

I can't imagine anyone thinks this is a good idea.. we desperately need immigration reform, but this shouldn't be it.

You are absolutley correct, and I retract my statement. I guess the GOP and Dems can court together for the illegal vote. How quaint.

And please, look at this part

The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a "Z visa" and—after paying fees and a $5,000 fine—ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

I'm sure illegals will be flocking to pay their $5000 and head back to South America to wait for their legal entry.

This is just amazing. I hate republicans and democrats.

[Thorgrim]

Bush says in the article he's for the bill, and the Senate has a majority for it, the House under Pelosi will ram it home...no immigration debate in 2008 as it'll already be off the table, so will taxes, and the iraq war will probably be a disaster

What exactly is the GOP going to talk about?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Bush says in the article he's for the bill, and the Senate has a majority for it, the House under Pelosi will ram it home...no immigration debate in 2008 as it'll already be off the table, so will taxes, and the iraq war will probably be a disaster

What exactly is the GOP going to talk about?

That's a great idea for another thread. Why don't you create it so we can keep this one on topic .