Fuck Fox News

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:27 PM

So Ron Paul is a 9/11 Truther? Have they even listened to what he has said?

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ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:31 PM

To quote Paul:

The attack was because of our presence in the middle east...we've been bombing Iraq for the past 10 yrs

To quote truthers:

The attack was because of our presence in the middle east

Hmm...seems like they're not far off.

Perhaps you didn't quite listen to what he said? The video is in the link you posted in case you missed it.

Stylerod · 05-17-2007, 02:31 PM

Didn't you say that he was on CNN and while they were talking to him they had a banner that said "Ron Paul - America Responsible for 9/11"?

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

To quote Paul:

To quote truthers:

Hmm...seems like they're not far off.

Perhaps you didn't quite listen to what he said? The video is in the link you posted in case you missed it.

No, to quote 9/11 Truthers:

Bush knew about 9/11 and planted bombs in the WTC and sent a missile to the Pentagon to incite rage into the US to go to Iraq for oil

Paul has NEVER fucking said that and this is complete bullshit.

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Didn't you say that he was on CNN and while they were talking to him they had a banner that said "Ron Paul - America Responsible for 9/11"?

No.

Ardentfrost did.

I dislike what CNN did as well, but this is way worst.

motivez · 05-17-2007, 02:35 PM

Don't be too mad, you should expect this from every major television media outlet, they're all more interested in soundbytes than reality.

ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by lew

No, to quote 9/11 Truthers:

Paul has NEVER fucking said that and this is complete bullshit.

The underlying message from the truthers is that America is responsible for the jihad. Paul also is saying America is responsible for the jihad.

Both have a 'blame America' message, no matter what specific words you want to use.

garbagemanlb · 05-17-2007, 02:35 PM

I have to say I find it refreshing to see conservatives getting upset with Fox News.

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The underlying message from the truthers is that America is responsible for the jihad. Paul also is saying America is responsible for the jihad.

Both have a 'blame America' message, no matter what specific words you want to use.

Jesus Christ, you can't see the fucking difference?

motivez · 05-17-2007, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

The underlying message from the truthers is that America is responsible for the jihad. Paul also is saying America is responsible for the jihad.

Both have a 'blame America' message, no matter what specific words you want to use.

Are you serious? There's a huge difference in saying our interventionist foreign policy has caused hatred and played a role in people wanting to attack us

and saying 9/11 was a conspiracy that our government planned and executed.

The suggestion that Ron Paul's position is anything like the conspiracy theorists is simply dishonest.

ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Don't be too mad, you should expect this from every major television media outlet, they're all more interested in soundbytes than reality.

If you watn the whole video and not the soundbyte, go here

'they attacked cause we've been over there'

Sounds like placing the blame on us to me

motivez · 05-17-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If you watn the whole video and not the soundbyte, go here

'they attacked cause we've been over there'

Sounds like placing the blame on us to me

I watched the debates, and as I said a minute ago there's a huge difference.

They are ignoring the details to make a popular political point.

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Don't be too mad, you should expect this from every major television media outlet, they're all more interested in soundbytes than reality.

I know. I expect them to label him a "Blame America First" person, which he isn't, but to associate him with the 9/11 Truth Movement? That's a flat-out fucking lie.

I now formally regret any defense I have given towards Fox News.

ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by lew

Jesus Christ, you can't see the fucking difference?

Originally Posted by motivez

Are you serious? There's a huge difference in saying our interventionist foreign policy has caused hatred and played a role in people wanting to attack us

and saying 9/11 was a conspiracy that our government planned and executed.

The suggestion that Ron Paul's position is anything like the conspiracy theorists is simply dishonest.

Both say it's the US's fault, and I disagree with both.

ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

I watched the debates, and as I said a minute ago there's a huge difference.

They are ignoring the details to make a popular political point.

I included the details to show it doesn't make much of a difference.

Publius · 05-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If you watn the whole video and not the soundbyte, go here

'they attacked cause we've been over there'

Sounds like placing the blame on us to me

So you're saying the 9/11 Commission Report is wrong, then?

motivez · 05-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by lew

I know. I expect them to label him a "Blame America First" person, which he isn't, but to associate him with the 9/11 Truth Movement? That's a flat-out fucking lie.

I now formally regret any defense I have given towards Fox News.

Paul is a threat to the GOP because as I posted in another thread, him being on the state gives credibility to a lot of what liberals have been saying about our foreign policy..

It shifts the debates away from what the GOP (and Fox) want, ie: Democrats are bad, they will raise your taxes, and they hate America, to a debate about the reality that our actions have consequences, and the Republican party has shifted away from what it should be.

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

If you watn the whole video and not the soundbyte, go here

'they attacked cause we've been over there'

Sounds like placing the blame on us to me

Look at the posts on the page. Even those that hate Paul are saying "But that doesn't make him a 9/11 Truther." Even the readers realize that Fox was WAY, WAY off with this one.

ballz2wallz · 05-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by lew

I know. I expect them to label him a "Blame America First" person, which he isn't,

He just said it in the videos

lew · 05-17-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Both say it's the US's fault, and I disagree with both.

So, you disagree with the CIA and 9/11 Commission Report?