Random Thought while vacuuming: Agree or Disagree with it??

thomez · 07-21-2006, 09:50 PM

Random Thought:

The Bush Administration would not support the current massive destruction of Lebanese infastructure IF that infastructure was critical for delivering a couple million barrels of oil a day to the global market. We would instead demand a cease fire as soon as possible and that other alternatives were explored to end this conflict ASAP.

Do you agree or disagree with this thought?

Disclaimer: This is not my view, it was simply a random thought I had while running the vac around the house. It made me curious. Thanks.

Scrum · 07-21-2006, 10:00 PM

I agree.

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 10:08 PM

Sure thing. Agree. What I don't agree with is you using a vacuum cleaner instead of your girlfriend/wife/rented maid.

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 10:09 PM

Of course, agreed. It's smart foreign policy. If they didn't give a care to destroying oil infrastructur when our economy is so dependent on it i'd be damn dissapointed.

thomez · 07-21-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Sure thing. Agree. What I don't agree with is you using a vacuum cleaner instead of your girlfriend/wife/rented maid.

I do not have a girlfriend or wife and there aren't enough illegals in this area to make maid service affordable

6SpeedTA95 · 07-21-2006, 10:11 PM

I disagree.

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 10:26 PM

After re-reading I realize I misunderstood. No, I don't think we would demand a cease fire. Instead I feel we would demand they use more precision tactics the way we did in Iraq to eliminate government and military without risking the oil infrastructure.

There is no way in hell we'd tell Isreal to not take ANY military action against a nation which has called for the complete destruction of Isreal followed by a blatant act of war.

thomez · 07-21-2006, 10:33 PM

Tek, what if the same roads and railways being used to export oil were being used to supply Hezbollah??

This is not a question of accuracy (Israel has precision weaponry for sure), but one of priorities and loyalties.

Donkey® · 07-21-2006, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by TekDragon

After re-reading I realize I misunderstood. No, I don't think we would demand a cease fire. Instead I feel we would demand they use more precision tactics the way we did in Iraq to eliminate government and military without risking the oil infrastructure.

There is no way in hell we'd tell Isreal to not take ANY military action against a nation which has called for the complete destruction of Isreal followed by a blatant act of war.

I don't recall Lebanon and the Palestinian goverment calling for the destruction of Israel.

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

Tek, what if the same roads and railways being used to export oil were being used to supply Hezbollah??

This is not a question of accuracy (Israel has precision weaponry for sure), but one of priorities and loyalties.

I don't think it would be a hard choice for a Republican or a Southern Democrat (ala Bill). Isreal's right to defend itself takes priority.

To a liberal Democrat? I dunno. It's scary to think about where somoene like Pelosi, Murtha, or Kerrys loyalties would lie.

thomez · 07-21-2006, 10:44 PM

Israel's right to defend itself would be accepted the same way if it meant $100 or $120 a barrel oil? I'm just curious

I bet the American public would tell them to fuck off before we paid 5 or 7 bucks a gallon for gas

TekDragon · 07-21-2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

Israel's right to defend itself would be accepted the same way if it meant $100 or $120 a barrel oil? I'm just curious

I bet the American public would tell them to fuck off before we paid 5 or 7 bucks a gallon for gas

I bet they wouldn't.

thomez · 07-21-2006, 11:16 PM

Let's estimate.

What % of non-Jewish Americans give a shit about what happens in Israel?

Give an honest estimate.

I say - honest estimate from my experience - 20%.

ballz2wallz · 07-21-2006, 11:48 PM

i disagree for this reason:

the lack of oil production would do only one thing...drive up the prices of oil for everyone else. no, we wouldn't lose oil...look at how much oil ceased to be pumped after the hurricanes messed up the rigs in the gulf....millions of barrels for quite a while. what happened? prices went up. so, it is my theory that if lebanon did produce oil, the only thing that would happen is that prices increase.

well, what else happens when there is ANY sort of turmoil in the mideast? oil prices go up. either way, the end result is the same, and he is still supporting israel.

he would support them in that scenario as well.

archangel003 · 07-21-2006, 11:53 PM

The US would demand that Israel cease attacks on oil infrastructure.

Another interesting question would be whether or not you think a country acting solely in its best interest is, in fact, a bad thing.

thomez · 07-22-2006, 12:02 AM

That would depend on how it affected my country young sir

motivez · 07-22-2006, 12:14 AM

I think there wouldn't even be this issue if Lebanon was an oil rich Industry.

We would have been supporting some form of dictator that we could manipulate and help shape and not care about much of what they do (ie: human rights records, religious freedom, whatever) as long as the population was kept in check and the oil was flowing.

Democracy wouldn't have a chance to work, groups like Hezbollah wouldn't be able to grow to the size they are now with the popular support that they enjoy because they would be kept down by a military that we helped arm and train and whatnot.

See our involvement in Iran or Saudi Arabia, etc.. for proof of that.

TekDragon · 07-22-2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

Let's estimate.

What % of non-Jewish Americans give a shit about what happens in Israel?

Give an honest estimate.

I say - honest estimate from my experience - 20%.

Ask that same population whether they would support Isreal or Palestine/Lebanon/Syria/Hezbollah/Hammas/*insert other muslim nation or extremist terror group* and the suppot for Isreal would no doubt be overwhelming.

ballz2wallz · 07-22-2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by thomez

Let's estimate.

What % of non-Jewish Americans give a shit about what happens in Israel?

Give an honest estimate.

I say - honest estimate from my experience - 20%.

i'd say way more than that. americans know that israel is a diamond in the rough. they know they are one of the only countries in that area like ours, and that they are under tremendous criticism, etc. i bet you'd be surprised how many supported them. don't judge americans by the loudest ones. you should know that by now.

motivez · 07-23-2006, 01:20 AM

I think the number is probably higher as well, but I think the large percentag eis mainly because most Americans haven't sat down and really evaluated their position (the same is true for a great many other political issues as well), so they simply go based on what they think they know about the situation

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