**CIA**ABC demonstrating blind hatred for this administration and hurting the country

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by Kytro

404 attack from a nation not found - any evidence Iran backed Sept 11?

That is my point attacks come from other places other than a "nation"

[RMNIXON]

Looks like Romney was the first to jump on this:

Romney criticizes ABC for story on alleged CIA Iran operations

By David Bauder, AP Television Writer | May 23, 2007
NEW YORK --Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney criticized ABC News on Wednesday for its report about CIA plans in Iran, saying it could potentially jeopardize national security and endanger lives.

ABC News rejected Romney's analysis, and said it had given the CIA a chance to make the case that its report put people at risk, but the agency didn't respond.

The network led its top-rated "World News" on Tuesday with Brian Ross' report saying that President Bush had directed the CIA to carry out secret operations against Iran both inside and outside that country. The network said the campaign was "non-lethal," and involved propaganda broadcasts, the planting of newspaper articles and the manipulation of Iran's currency and banking transactions.

Romney, during a campaign appearance in Tulsa, Okla., said he was shocked that ABC News would broadcast the report.

"The reporting has the potential of jeopardizing our national security," the former Massachusetts governor said. "Stated quite plainly, it has the potential of affecting human life. We may never know."

He said he did not support censorship, but that "the media has a responsibility to police itself."

ABC News' Web site was flooded with 1,683 comments within a day of the broadcast, with one poster urging ABC to "keep your big mouths shut."

ABC News President David Westin said the network has changed or withheld stories in the past if the CIA convincingly says it could put lives or operations in jeopardy. The CIA was contacted six days ago about Ross' story, and chose not to say anything about it, he said.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Publius

if there is a proven and credible threat to our nation, yes. Otherwise, we really have no business involving ourselves in the situation. World police, yay!

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

[lew]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Well on that point I can't disagree. So how do we fix the cest pool that we have helped create?

I honestly believe the best way for us to "fix" that area, is to leave the area, bring home the troops, cut off foreign aid, and then engage into trade with them.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

That is my point attacks come from other places other than a "nation"

Yes, and what does that have to do with Iran?

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

Doing the wrong thing can be worse than nothing, and the US administration isn't exactly full of "good men"

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by lew

I honestly believe the best way for us to "fix" that area, is to leave the area, bring home the troops, cut off foreign aid, and then engage into trade with them.

I totally agree.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

What if this was a planned leak? Doesn't it seem more plausible that they strategically leaked this on purpose than an ultrasecret agency blabbed top secret info to ABC?

Why would they want to leak it? Who knows...maybe to keep Iran on its toes? I can't extrapolate every possible motivation for such a move in this chess game, but I'm sure someone with more imagination can.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

nice soundbyte, but fallacious. For one, you're automatically assuming that our government is nothing but good men and that their government is nothing but evil men. While you may be mostly correct about their government, history should show you that our government is FAR from "pure good"

[Donkey®]

Who cares? We've undermined the Iranian government and installed our own before...why anyone would think we're not trying to do it now is beyond me. Non story.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by lew

I honestly believe the best way for us to "fix" that area, is to leave the area, bring home the troops, cut off foreign aid, and then engage into trade with them.

My own position would be to cut Foreign Aid across the board. "Sorry, we have a war to pay for!" Then take a good look at who is being helpful and who is not? Then consider further reductions and cut offs.

Aid is a gift. We have been doing it so long we act like it is an obligation to make other nations like us.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Publius

nice soundbyte, but fallacious. For one, you're automatically assuming that our government is nothing but good men and that their government is nothing but evil men. While you may be mostly correct about their government, history should show you that our government is FAR from "pure good"

Standing around and doing nothing while millions are slaughtered is disgusting.
"never again will we allow genocide like the Holocaust" BULLSHIT. We allowed it to happen multiple times.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Standing around and doing nothing while millions are slaughtered is disgusting.
"never again will we allow genocide like the Holocaust" BULLSHIT. We allowed it to happen multiple times.

It's being applied in hypocritical and straight up retarded fashion. We stood by and watched the people in Sudan, Rwanda and Liberia get slaughtered. We stood by and let the people in Yugoslavia get slaughtered. We stood by and let Saddam gas his own people with chemcials WE GAVE HIM. We stood by and let the Khmer Rouge slaughter millions. Why are we stepping up now? Oh yes...that's right...oil. US interests are the only reasons we stand up now...not because of our humanity.

[Linzyhop]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's being applied in hypocritical and straight up retarded fashion. We stood by and watched the people in Sudan, Rwanda and Liberia get slaughtered. We stood by and let the people in Yugoslavia get slaughtered. We stood by and let Saddam gas his own people with chemcials WE GAVE HIM. We stood by and let the Khmer Rouge slaughter millions. Why are we stepping up now? Oh yes...that's right...oil. US interests are the only reasons we stand up now...not because of our humanity.

i thought also because of american interests in israel and protecting them? no????

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

i thought also because of american interests in israel and protecting them? no????

American interests...not humanitarian issues. That is what I said. Lump Israel in there if you like.

[willis]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Standing around and doing nothing while millions are slaughtered is disgusting.
"never again will we allow genocide like the Holocaust" BULLSHIT. We allowed it to happen multiple times.

and we're allowing it to happen right now and doing nothing to stop it in other parts of the world.. where is your call for our govt to send troops and take over all countries where genocide is currently ongoing??

[willis]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

That is my point attacks come from other places other than a "nation"

so we should attempt to destablize a nation and in the process probably create more hatred for our country leading to more non-official groups who want to try and find a way to hurt us??

sounds like a fantastic plan..

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Pre-emptive use of force?

Sounds like the precautionary principal, something that is famously exercised by Global Warming alarmists.

Just sayin'...