babies without sex

DosEquis · 05-24-2007, 12:22 PM

I have been thinking to myself lately about things like the shark, which mysteriously gave birth to a young shark with no male "activity". Not to long ago we had a lizard, i think it was a komodo dragon or something. There has been no documented cases of either of these ever happening before. These animals were supposed to have sex before they reproduce. They are not wired any other way which would allow asexual production.

Can one safely assume that the virgin mary was another case of the hammer head shark or komodo dragon? Except back then there was a huge lack of knowledge on how nature works, and clearly we still have unanswered questions. Since they had an extremely primitive level of knowledge on how those types of things work, clearly it was a miracle and only god could have knocked this girl up without having sex. She would be the only documented case in human history, just as this hammer head and the lizard are the only cases in their species history.

Simius · 05-24-2007, 01:02 PM

I suppose it is possible. But it is far more likely that she had sex and got knocked up... or the whole virgin birth thing is just a standard religious theme that was added to the Jesus story to make him more godlike.

Considering all the other virgin births in mythology, that is where I would put my money.

Linzyhop · 05-24-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Simius

I suppose it is possible. But it is far more likely that she had sex and got knocked up... or the whole virgin birth thing is just a standard religious theme that was added to the Jesus story to make him more godlike.

Considering all the other virgin births in mythology, that is where I would put my money.

hey, you can be a virgin and get pregnant... as long as the semen was transfered to the egg somehow....

DosEquis · 05-24-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

hey, you can be a virgin and get pregnant... as long as the semen was transfered to the egg somehow....

Well if she rolled in some sort of masturbatory romance explosion, jesus is no miracle.

Simius · 05-24-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

hey, you can be a virgin and get pregnant... as long as the semen was transfered to the egg somehow....

I doubt the immaculate conception had bukkake in mind.

Linzyhop · 05-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Well if she rolled in some sort of masturbatory romance explosion, jesus is no miracle.

just saying it's possible. maybe not probable, but possible.

up|dn · 05-24-2007, 08:08 PM

The virgin birth is really only in one of the gospels.. chances are it's not the least bit historical, but another part of the mythical archetypal history into which Jesus was molded (since almost everyone important was said to be of virgin birth or some sort of half-deity).

Rouger2 · 05-24-2007, 08:27 PM

I know they can fertilize a egg in a sterile procedure in a hospital but I doubt very much it can happen out side a hospital. Sperm and egg are pretty fragile things I believe.

Roonie · 05-24-2007, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rouger2

I know they can fertilize a egg in a sterile procedure in a hospital but I doubt very much it can happen out side a hospital. Sperm and egg are pretty fragile things I believe.

My cousin got pregnant without having sex. They are a married couple and there was no penetration but she ended up getting prego anyways. It can and does happen. My cousin tells me more than I ever wanted to know.... too much information.

thomez · 05-25-2007, 08:27 AM

she got railed, get over it already

Roonie · 05-25-2007, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by thomez

she got railed, get over it already

I don't give a shit if she has 20 kids. I just don't want to hear about her intimate details of her sex life thank you very much.

DosEquis · 05-25-2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Roonie

I don't give a shit if she has 20 kids. I just don't want to hear about her intimate details of her sex life thank you very much.

It is only gross if you touch yourself inappropriately after hearing these stories. Though, Albert Einstein and Rudy Guilianni both married cousins.

redwards · 05-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Just FYI:

1. this has still never been observed in a mammal of any kind.

2. It is an impossibility for a female to immaculately conceive a male in any species.

Linzyhop · 05-30-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by redwards

Just FYI:

1. this has still never been observed in a mammal of any kind.

2. It is an impossibility for a female to immaculately conceive a male in any species.

conception without penetration is what we're discussing though, which is most definitely possible.

redwards · 05-30-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

conception without penetration is what we're discussing though, which is most definitely possible.

Right, but that doesn't make a female mammal giving birth to a male possible.

Linzyhop · 05-30-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by redwards

Right, but that doesn't make a female mammal giving birth to a male possible.

in vitro anyone?

DosEquis · 05-30-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by redwards

Just FYI:

1. this has still never been observed in a mammal of any kind.

2. It is an impossibility for a female to immaculately conceive a male in any species.

1. The virgin mary would be case number 1, of course if the story is true.

2. I would have considered it an impossibility to conceive in that fashion for anything which was not wired for asexual reproduction.

redwards · 05-30-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Linzyhop

in vitro anyone?

Ooookaaay. The original post was discussing the biological feasibility of immaculate conception.

Yay for you that you you know what in vitro is, that's got nothing to do with his point.

redwards · 05-30-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

1. The virgin mary would be case number 1, of course if the story is true.

2. I would have considered it an impossibility to conceive in that fashion for anything which was not wired for asexual reproduction.

My point being that even an animal that can reproduce asexually cannot produce an animal of the opposite sex. They don't carry the genes. The asexually reproduced child is essentially a carbon copy of the parent. There's not even any recombination process.

Linzyhop · 05-30-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by redwards

Ooookaaay. The original post was discussing the biological feasibility of immaculate conception.

Yay for you that you you know what in vitro is, that's got nothing to do with his point.

well technically if a male ejaculated near the vaginal opening of a female without actually having penetrated her, the sperm could travel up the uterus to an egg.

highly improbable, -but- possible!