2 Fox News Journalists Kidnapped in Gaza

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Nope. They will be charged for the crime. The Muslims that torture and cut heads off are heros. They won't be charged with anything unless we find them.

Maybe that's because they dont have the same policing ability there that we do here?

Even so, you're suggesting a broader Muslim support where none exists.. and the fact that they'll be charged or wont be has nothing to do with the generalization. Of course not ALL Marines are like that. Of course MOST Marines aren't like that. But some are. The same is true for Muslim's and this situation.

I doubt all (or even most, or even a majority) of Muslim's think they're heroes for doing what they're doing. We have a large population of Muslim people in America who I'm sure are sick and tired of getting lumped in with people who misuse their religion.. so why doesn't the same hold true for the respect you show the Marines by now labeling them all as child raping murderers?

In any case, that's showing a clear double standard with what over generalization and stereotyping you're willing to find acceptable

[beez]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I'm genuinely curious whether they targeted Fox or these guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They probably just saw "media" and figured they could get a good ransom from their company or a prisoner exchange.

[motivez]

Update:

Palestinian security forces hunted for two abducted Fox News journalists Tuesday, and the Palestinian president and prime minister intervened in an attempt to gain their release.

President Mahmoud Abbas and Ismail Haniyeh, the prime minister of the Hamas-led government, scheduled meetings with the news organization's Jerusalem bureau chief, Eli Fastman, and its chief correspondent in Israel, Jennifer Griffin.

The prime minister assured the Fox News representatives that Palestinian security forces would use all their power to "put an end to it soon," said government spokesman Ghazi Hamad said, without elaborating.

Investigators said the president's office was closely following the probe into the abduction.

American reporter Steve Centanni, 60, and New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig, 36, were seized by masked gunmen Monday near the headquarters of the Palestinian security services.

No one has claimed responsibility for kidnapping, and police said no demands have been made. Major militant groups denied any connection to the abduction.

U.S. officials said they were in touch with Abbas' office, Palestinian security officials and the Israelis to see if they can help secure the journalists' release.

"Certainly we are concerned about their safety, that is why we are working to ensure their freedom," said Micaela Schweitzer-Bluhm, a spokeswoman for the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem.

She said it was still unclear who was holding the journalists.

New Zealand's Prime Minister Helen Clark dispatched diplomats to Gaza to assist in any contacts for their release. She said she was "very concerned" about the kidnapping.

Wiig's wife, Anita McNaught, said Fox representatives told her negotiations for their release were already under way. But officials in Gaza said no contact had been established with the kidnappers.

Nabil Abu Rdeinah, an Abbas aide, said the president ordered all security forces to work on tracking the two journalists. "This is an unacceptable act. We condemn this operation and hope we would succeed to find a peaceful solution very soon," he said.

An investigator in the case, speaking on condition of anonymity so as not to jeopardize the investigation, said suspicions were focusing on a renegade group from an established Palestinian militant organization, but he declined to give further details. The car in which the journalists were taken has been identified, he said.

Centanni was behind the wheel of the Fox vehicle, marked in large letters "TV," when the gunmen pulled up and stopped them, a Fox employee said. A Palestinian who was with them was forced onto the floor at gunpoint, and the two journalists were taken away.

An official following the investigation said the getaway car was spotted driving south along the coastal road.

Police and security forces were deployed at major intersections and roads in Gaza immediately after the kidnapping.

Several foreigners have been kidnapped in Gaza by small groups seeking the release of relatives from jail, jobs or other personal favors. All have been freed within a few days without harm.

No really big status update, doesn't look like there have been any demands made yet. Judging by history it seems a good outcome is likely, though.

[ballz2wallz]

Video shows seized Gaza abductees

A previously unknown militant group has released a video of two Western journalists who were kidnapped in the Gaza Strip nine days ago.

video included in article.





seems this isn't the typical kidnapping. i hope these men are released nonetheless.

[slosucks]

Originally Posted by motivez

Maybe that's because they dont have the same policing ability there that we do here?

Even so, you're suggesting a broader Muslim support where none exists.. and the fact that they'll be charged or wont be has nothing to do with the generalization. Of course not ALL Marines are like that. Of course MOST Marines aren't like that. But some are. The same is true for Muslim's and this situation.

I doubt all (or even most, or even a majority) of Muslim's think they're heroes for doing what they're doing. We have a large population of Muslim people in America who I'm sure are sick and tired of getting lumped in with people who misuse their religion.. so why doesn't the same hold true for the respect you show the Marines by now labeling them all as child raping murderers?

In any case, that's showing a clear double standard with what over generalization and stereotyping you're willing to find acceptable

if they truly opposed the actions of the extremist, i would expect them to make a bit more noise about it. being quiet about it and just saying youre against it when talking to a nonmuslim friend doesnt qualify. silence = support. remember all the anti-war protests us americans had? many americans were not happy with what the administration has done so there were record breaking protests and their voices were heard throughout the world. there were protests in israel when israel attacked lebanon. if people are unhappy with a group of their population committing crimes in their name, they should say something. how many anti-hezbollah protests have you seen from arabs? how many anti-suicide bombing protests have you seen from arab muslims? if it's only a small percentage doing all this terrorism, where's the overwhelming majority screaming out "we dont support this"?????

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Video shows seized Gaza abductees

A previously unknown militant group has released a video of two Western journalists who were kidnapped in the Gaza Strip nine days ago.

video included in article.





seems this isn't the typical kidnapping. i hope these men are released nonetheless.

I saw the video and the first thing I thought was "this is staged". I dunno why, but I get the feeling they're not too upset. Their families were saying that they "were on your side, you have the wrong people.", etc. As if they have sympathy for their cause. Then they get kidnapped. The ransom note is faxed. They don't respond quickly like other kidnappings. And they're the best treated captives I've ever seen.

I dunno, something is just fishy to me.

[motivez]

Yeah, something is most definitely strange about this.. I don't know what though.

Normally, the journalists are returned fairly quickly and without harm, but in this case, there's been almost no word of it.. I haven't even seen much about it when I'm flipping through Fox..

I'd expect this to get a bit more coverage than it has on that network considering Centanni seemed to do a lot of reporting for them in the field..

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by motivez

Normally, the journalists are returned fairly quickly and without harm, but in this case, there's been almost no word of it.. I haven't even seen much about it when I'm flipping through Fox..

I'd expect this to get a bit more coverage than it has on that network considering Centanni seemed to do a lot of reporting for them in the field..

i don't think fox wants to focus on it too much. i can't blame them.

[beez]

Originally Posted by motivez

I'd expect this to get a bit more coverage than it has on that network considering Centanni seemed to do a lot of reporting for them in the field..

If he winds up beheaded on video it's going to look bad on Fox's part for sensationalizing the leadup to his killing.