How to Solve the Illegal Immigration Problem Overnight

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by mywayfrank

Well, for the under working age illegals, we already have these "exploitation camps." It's called the Public School System. Free to them of course.

Illegals still pay for public schooling.

It comes from property taxes along with alcohol and cigarettes as well.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Mookieisms

Says the guy who wants to send them off to War ;]. If you want to send them to war, why not just indoctrinate them with the Pledge of Allegience at an early age?

As you know, from reading the thread, the "send them off to war" was tounge in cheek.

With regards to my comments about the current "exploitation camp" being the public schools, one could very well make the case that all U.S. citizens are being exploited to the governments (technically the elitists) agenda. They teach that the Civil War was about slavery as one example. They don't teach anything about the Federal Reserve and our Universities don't even mention Austrian Economics as an option to Keynes credit expansion theories.

I was not serious about sending them off to war...but I am serious about your exploitation or indoctrination of our youth. One does not know what they don't know.

[Mookieisms]

Originally Posted by mywayfrank

As you know, from reading the thread, the "send them off to war" was tounge in cheek.

With regards to my comments about the current "exploitation camp" being the public schools, one could very well make the case that all U.S. citizens are being exploited to the governments (technically the elitists) agenda. They teach that the Civil War was about slavery as one example. They don't teach anything about the Federal Reserve and our Universities don't even mention Austrian Economics as an option to Keynes credit expansion theories.

I was not serious about sending them off to war...but I am serious about your exploitation or indoctrination of our youth. One does not know what they don't know.

Great, there's my justification for "this wouldn't fly in present day America". I don't know if you intended that, but thanks

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Scrum

Illegals still pay for public schooling.

It comes from property taxes along with alcohol and cigarettes as well.

In California, where I am from; "California schools have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding who gets to go to school. This policy is a powerful magnet that attracts illegals to California."...and it's free.

Perhaps it is different in other states. What is the policy in your state?

Sure, the government taxes alcohol and cigarettes, and some illegals smoke an drink and may be involved in paying some taxes for property owned, but this is an insignificant amount. Do you have any statistics on the amount that illegals pay?

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Mookieisms

Great, there's my justification for "this wouldn't fly in present day America". I don't know if you intended that, but thanks

Yes, it won't fly. Just drumming up emotions in people and enjoying the conversations.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by mywayfrank

In California, where I am from; "California schools have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding who gets to go to school. This policy is a powerful magnet that attracts illegals to California."...and it's free.

Perhaps it is different in other states. What is the policy in your state?

Sure, the government taxes alcohol and cigarettes, and some illegals smoke an drink and may be involved in paying some taxes for property owned, but this is an insignificant amount. Do you have any statistics on the amount that illegals pay?

Every person who doesn't live on the street pays property tax. There are federal funding for schools, but the lions share comes from local property taxes. That's why their are nice schools in the suburbs and run down schools in the ghettos. I'm almost positive it works that way in CA. I went to high school in Roseville.

No statistics handy, but I have never seen anything that disputed it.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by mywayfrank

In California, where I am from; "California schools have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy regarding who gets to go to school. This policy is a powerful magnet that attracts illegals to California."...and it's free.

Perhaps it is different in other states. What is the policy in your state?

Sure, the government taxes alcohol and cigarettes, and some illegals smoke an drink and may be involved in paying some taxes for property owned, but this is an insignificant amount. Do you have any statistics on the amount that illegals pay?

Public education in every state is offered to children of school age, regardless of legal presence in the country. There was a supreme court opinion on the topic, I think in the 70's or early 80's. The name was something like Plyler if you're curious.

[DosEquis]

We simply need to secure our border so they can't get here in the volume that they are here now.

Then as we find them we need to send them home, revoking any chance they can become legal citizens. Then we can send a bill to the country from which they came for the cost of sending them back.

From there we should just strictly enforce the immigration laws we have. It would take 5-10 years to start making noticable differences, but that is about the only way imho.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

We simply need to secure our border so they can't get here in the volume that they are here now.

Then as we find them we need to send them home, revoking any chance they can become legal citizens. Then we can send a bill to the country from which they came for the cost of sending them back.

From there we should just strictly enforce the immigration laws we have. It would take 5-10 years to start making noticable differences, but that is about the only way imho.

Aboslutely! And that originally was and still should be the job of our Department of Defense, not the bureaucratic quagmire of Homeland Security that Ron Paul wants to abolish (along with the Department of Education, the IRS etc. etc.)

From the Department of Defense website: The mission of the Department of Defense is to provide the military forces needed to deter war and to protect the security of our country.

We should be concentrating on our own borders instead of the borders of over 100 different nations that our military currently occupies. Then the tragedies similar to 9/11 might possibly be prevented. If one has ever played the game of Risk, they know what I'm talking about.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Public education in every state is offered to children of school age, regardless of legal presence in the country. There was a supreme court opinion on the topic, I think in the 70's or early 80's. The name was something like Plyler if you're curious.

Thanks Phantom, you were correct: Plyler v. Doe

[Fed Up]

Looks like my idea isn't so far fetched after all...

First step; registering undocumented illegals for the selective service (I'm sure they can read English).

Selective Service System: Registration Information

Scroll down and see the "yes" box checked for Selective Service Registration for Undocumented (illegal) aliens.

Now, when they do install the draft after our government bombs Iran, we'll have a few more million men and women available! Welcome to America!

Fed Up

Editors note: JMHO about the war in Iran - you can't change an imperial neocon

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

and sending our Countrymen to war in Iraq isn't extreme? Congress didn't approve the war as the Constitution mandates. Same with Korea and Vietnam and we know how those wars turned out.

In what way did Congress not approve the war? What more do you think they needed to do?

I think the solution is to penalize companies that hire illegals, with heavy fines on the first offense, and more fines, seizure of assets, and even forfeiture of business license on subsequent offenses. Along with complete cessation of any public benefits to illegals, of course.

When the jobs dry up and there's no financial gain to being here illegally, they'll stop trying to sneak in. Get rid of the demand, and the supply will take care of itself.

[Fed Up]

Originally Posted by Joe_Cool

In what way did Congress not approve the war? What more do you think they needed to do?

I think the solution is to penalize companies that hire illegals, with heavy fines on the first offense, and more fines, seizure of assets, and even forfeiture of business license on subsequent offenses. Along with complete cessation of any public benefits to illegals, of course.

When the jobs dry up and there's no financial gain to being here illegally, they'll stop trying to sneak in. Get rid of the demand, and the supply will take care of itself.

Hi Joe Cool,

To your first query, "In what way did Congress not approve the war? What more do you think they needed to do?"

Congress did not "declare" war according to Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. What they did do was "authorize" the President to use force in Iraq. There is a difference and anyone to argue otherwise doesn't understand the Constitution.

The rest of your post I agree with 100%. The Law is the Law and it should be adhered to (same goes with Congress). It's simple supply and demand economics as you so eloquently pointed out.

Fed Up

[Joe_Cool]

Originally Posted by Fed Up

Congress did not "declare" war according to Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. What they did do was "authorize" the President to use force in Iraq. There is a difference and anyone to argue otherwise doesn't understand the Constitution.

Great. Quote for me the part of the constitution that prescribes the form a "declaration of war" must take in order to be valid. Because I guess I've missed it. The Constitution I've read simply gives Congress the power to decide that we're going to war, and does not say how they're required to do it.

The rest of your post I agree with 100%. The Law is the Law and it should be adhered to (same goes with Congress). It's simple supply and demand economics as you so eloquently pointed out.